Talk:Consolidated Liberator I

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Contents 1 New article 2 new color picture 3 Article problems 4 Merge proposal 5 Notability criteria moved from article notes

[edit] New article

New article on the Liberator B I have more pictures and information to add but looking always looking for more information - need pictures for AM912, AM913, AM914, AM915, AM917, AM918, AM919, AM921, AM925, AM926.

Also, was wondering if Liberator B I is too specific, was considering changing to just Liberator I (since article deal with all three versions (Liberator B I, Liberator GR I & Liberator C I) but unsure how to do a redirect. Davegnz 16:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] new color picture

Not sure if Color picture is a Liberator I / B-24A series or a LB-30 / XB-24 (not of this AM910-AM929 series of aircraft).

Thinking this might be AM258 (?) which is not part of this article.

Need to add S/N if is actually a Liberator I

Davegnz 16:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article problems

Wikipedia is NOT an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not automatically mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. This article needs to be cut back to the bare minimum of notable incidents and aircraft, with verifiable sources cited for each item, and merged into the B-24 Liberator article. I mean, do we really need to know that AM926 (ex 40-2365) flew into hill on ferry flight on 10 December 1941? That's not notable in any way, and there are many entries like that. While we appreciate the hard work and research, Wikipedia is not the place for information of this much detail.

As such, I have added tags to the article which denote the major problems:

1. Notability: As stated above, many of the itmes are not notable. THis tag is not a PROD or AFD, but a precursor to them. I will only revert its deletion one more time, then I will seriously consider nominating this article for an AFD, as that cannot be deleted.
2. Citations: Every item on each individual aircraft must have a citation denoting its sources. This is not a guideline, but Wiki policy, and as such is not optional, and must not be ignored.

Rather than simply slashing out every unsourced item in the article, or adding {{fact}} tags to each item (and making the article "ugly"!), I have added the tags. Please try to address the concerns I've expreassed here rather than removing the tag.

I do believe the article contains a lot of useful information (assuming it can be properly sourced), but that it would be best served merged into the main B-24 page. However, I am hesitant to recommend a merge at this time with the other problems the article has, and because someone might remove the merge tags :) . - BillCJ 18:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Read all of the article posted by BillCJ most of what he has written/edited are 1-2 paragraphs in length (and most with little references to support his alligations)- would Wickipedia be more efficient if all of these small chop articles be merged into one decent article under experimental helicopters

Good to know that this article "in-the-making" isn't due for the "chop". I think the various editors that have worked on this page have improved it and it is a good exercise for the original editor as he is learning the ropes. Bzuk 18:53. 9 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Merge proposal

See Talk:B-24 Liberator#Merge proposal for merge discussion, as these are to be on the page to be mreged TO per Wikipedia guidelines. - BillCJ 19:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability criteria moved from article notes

Note: This article has more links (both internal Wikipedia links and Internat links) then a majority of the related internet subjects. Nobility for these aircraft come from: First Combat B-24's, 3 years early ASW experimentation. When these aircraft became retired, they transported high level dignatories between Canada & the UK, finally the last surviving B-24A / Liberator I is still flying with the CAF in Texas.