Talk:Consecration
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[edit] inanimate spelled wrong :)
Fixed the word "inanimate" -fm
[edit] Monks
"Ordination of a bishop or a monk is also called consecration."
Does anyone have a source (i.e. Orthodoxy or Anglicanism) that would speak of monks having Holy Orders/Ordination? Catholics only recognize three levels of HO: deacon, priest, & bishop. Monks take vows, and I suppose you could refer to them as consecrated (i.e. consecrated virgins) but unless they are also deacons, priests, or bishops, they do not receive holy orders and therefore are not ordained. As it stands, the line needs to be changed, but I'm not sure if it should be "Ordination of a bishop, and taking vows for a monk or nun is also called consecration." or "Ordination of a bishop or a monk is also called consecration. ([Relevant Church] recognizes monks as ordained, however Catholics [and Orthodox, Anglican, any other relevant churches] do not "ordain" monks." -- Essjay · Talk July 7, 2005 17:21 (UTC)
Monks frequently are ordained. That, however, was not always the case. I have never heard of a monk's being consecrated. But who am I to say? It's possible, I suppose.
--Sophroniscus 7 July 2005 21:17 (UTC)
There are often monks who are also ordained clergy, i.e., they were already clergy when they became monks, or received Holy Orders after they became monks, but it is a separate ceremony. My concern is the suggestion that all monks are ordained, which is (at least in the RCC) not correct. For the RCC ordination refers specifically to receiving Holy Orders, and not to any other ceremony. I'm wondering if the rites for becoming a monk in Orthodoxy or Anglicanism (or another tradition with monks) use the term "consecration"; if not, it shoud be dropped. -- Essjay · Talk July 7, 2005 21:57 (UTC)
It used to be the case that most monks could not read or write and so there generally was no question that they be ordained. I suppose that has changed. For all I know, today most monks may be college graduates. In fact, the reason for the development of the rosary goes back to the illiteracy of the all-too typical monk. --Sophroniscus 7 July 2005 22:48 (UTC)
However, there is a difference in function between monks and ordained clergy. The point of ordained clergy is to further the sacramental work of the Church. Monks (unless they are also ordained clergy) do not perform sacramental tasks. Monks have many secular and cloistered functions (praying, teaching, etc.) but these are completely divorced from the functions of deacons, preists, and bishops. There is some overlay, of course; many monks choose to become priests as well as being monks, and many former monks go on to be parish preists and bishops. Also, some orders are friars, rather than monks; monks are clositered or semi-cloistered, while friars are "out in the world." So, while some monks are ordained in addition to being monks, not all are; by far, most monks are not ordained, they are just monks. -- Essjay · Talk July 7, 2005 23:30 (UTC)
- In the Orthodox Church, one does not speak of "consecrating" or "ordaining" a monk or nun; rather, one "tonsures" a monk or nun. Monks who also happen to be ordained a deacon are called "hierodeacons"; monks who are ordained to the priesthood are called "hieromonks"; all bishops are (supposed to be) monks, so they are simply called "bishops." MishaPan 14:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] somewhat disorganized
The "Eastern Orthodoxy" section has a long part about consecration of bishops and apostolic succession. Most of that applies equally to the RC Church, but that's not the impression you'd get from reading this article. Evidently several editors didn't coordinate their efforts with each other. Michael Hardy 03:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
