Talk:Connemara pony

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Contents 1 Armada legend 2 Famous horse list 3 Ref Tag 4 Pinto

[edit] Armada legend

This idea of Spanish horses from the Armada influencing the Connemaras, I found so fascinating that I even got a book describing the "landfall" (to say so) of the ships of the Spanish Armada in Ireland. From the description of the events given in this book ("Ireland - Graveyard of the Spanish Armada") it apears highly unlikely that any horses aboard the ships could have been used to improve the Connemara race: -I found no evidence that there were horses aboard anyway (the invasion fleet was not part of the Armada ending in Ireland) -The ships which eventually decided to head for the Irish coast must have been in a desolate state, with no water or food left. I doubt that horses would have survived that. -The three ships which made it to the Connemara coast were wrecked in storms, with several hundred sailers and soldiers killed when trying to reach the stormy coast and only few survivors (at least after the Irish troops came in). Even many sailors were not able to even leave the sinking ships. How could horses tugged away under deck have freed themselves?

The similarities in appearence between Spanish horses and Connemars are nevertheless striking; so I am pretty sure that there is Spanish genome in there! Thyl Engelhardt 213.70.217.172 15:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Famous horse list

I suggest removing the "famous Connemaras" section altogether. My recommendation is create a Category:Connemaras, within the Category:Famous horses and those who have articles can be linked to that category (and the category can be linked to this article). I have noticed that once these "laundry lists" begin, they expand exponentially. By creating a category, any individuals who are truly significant can have their own wikipedia article and pass the "Notability" criteria. Montanabw^(talk) 22:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ref Tag

Can ref tag be removed now? AeronM (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, by wikipedia standards. the article is inadequately sourced, but so are 80% of the breed articles (no, more like 90%, I doubt even 30 of them are properly sourced, there are so many stubs), so based on the fact that there are SOME sources, and they are even footnotes, I think it's OK to toss the unref tag, but if anyone ever wants to take this article up to GA status, it will need a lot of work. If you want to compare it to some "average" B quality articles that have adequate sources, though not perfect, look at Morgan horse or American Quarter Horse (to name two that I have worked on but have no particular emotional attachment to). The most recent horse breed article to get WP:GA status is Appaloosa, if you want to see the level the wikigods require for that label. I think some of us are making noises about taking up the Quarter Horse article to GA, but that is a lot of work, and, as you know, I have recently been distracted by certain other issues.  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 07:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you provide source for this please? --AeronM (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't put your questions in-between someone else's post, OK? It confuses who said what (there is a guideline on that somewhere) I fixed that so it flows properly.

But to answer your questions, see Wikipedia:The perfect article and Wikipedia:Verifiability for starters, and I say "inadequately sourced" based on my experience that when articles go up for Good Article status, and even more so, FA status, they have an unwritten (and to me anal-retentive, but I've lost that fight long ago) rule that every paragraph should have some sort of footnote. Pain in the butt, but it is the ultimate goal. Basically, we all "know" we should footnote as we go, but so often we don't because we have knowledge in our heads, but when edit wars start, proper footnoting often cools them down, at least to the "agree to disagree" point. Sometimes, anyway. I have no concerns about getting to this particular article any time soon, nothing in there is currently being challenged, but as far as ideal, yeah, well, Appaloosa just went GA with the help of about five people, see how that is done, if you want to compare the ideal. And, for example, a bunch of us are trying to get Thoroughbred ready for GA, but the 3-4 of us working on it don't think it's there yet. For short articles, I recently reviewed volcanic ash for GA and passed it (with the concurrence of some other editors), even though it is short, it is about as complete as you can get on the topic, and so passed the criteria for comprehensive coverage. Hope this helps.

And FYI, so far your edits on this article have been fine. Just have to be real careful about not sounding like promotional copy (and obviously, not putting in links to people's personal stud farms, etc.). Had someone jump on my butt for saying a horse breed had a "beautiful" head, rather than "fine boned" or something; Read Peacock terms to get the idea. Montanabw^(talk) 01:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pinto

Since there is no wikilink available for Piebald and Skewbald, should we add a parenthetical "black & white" and "brown & white" to the text? (Although technically I think the term skewbald means any other color (except black) and white). --AeronM (talk) 01:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes there is, I fixed the links. See piebald, skewbald and tricoloured (horse), see also pinto horse, overo, tobiano, sabino horse, rabicano and heck everything is linked from equine coat color. See also Category:Horse coat colors. There are color articles up the wazoo in wikipedia. Finding them is the tricky part. Montanabw^(talk) 08:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)