Talk:Confirmation and overclaiming of aerial victories

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I think the detail is too much and that individual pilots names should be removed, editors should focus on "the big picture". I can see this article being filled with many instances of overclaiming and it becoming very long as a result, so I think perhaps the bare minimum is enough. Dapi89 (talk) 23:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I second that suggestion. Less is more.Markus Becker02 (talk) 18:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

At the risk of annoying everyone, we need citations to be placed with the initial edits. I have reverted some information until they are cited. Dapi89 (talk) 18:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I have covered most of the information put in by Markus. A citation is still needed for the 138 number on 14 Oct. '43. I have corrected the figures as they were incorrect. Caldwell and Muller have produced a fine book on this subject - Luftwaffe over Germany, the Defence of the Reich, so I trust their research more. Dapi89 (talk) 18:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

What about just checking the references of the other wiki-articles? It was easy to find all the time.Markus Becker02 (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Obvious.

• First of all I do my own research and I don't rely on anyone else to do it for me.

• Second, they are not cited, that is until you have just put in that recent website as a source on the Second Raid on Schweinfurt, as you know Markus. More to the point the information I required, and failed to find (the claims of US bomber crews for the 14 October) are not on wikipedia, as you know Markus. That is all I'm going to say. I am sure you will want the last word as always, so go ahead. Dapi89 (talk) 19:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

If you had just for one moment bothered to take a look at the link that was already there, you would have found the other one I put there. Next time look around, before you start deleting again.Markus Becker02 (talk) 20:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I say again; that is NOT a citation. On top of that as I have already said, and suspect I will have to say many more times, I would rather trust established aviation historians like Donald Caldwell. And you made those edits after I had asked for citations on this page, and I need to look first. I am not a deletionist. As of this moment I done more than most to fill up the table in the article. You on the other hand, have gone beyond what was agreed with regard to the removal of too much information, and have taken out information that is needed for the credibility of the article. I have now restored it. Grow up, change your attitude, stop disorting events, and above all stop wasting my time. From now on I'm simply going to ignore your stupid and worthless comments. Dapi89 (talk) 21:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I apologize for not being up to your high standarts. Silly me to think wiki-links to another wiki-articles (with references) are ok on wikipedia. By the way: I suggest you look before you delete. comming from you is really priceless!Markus Becker02 (talk) 10:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)