Talk:Coney Island and Brooklyn Railroad

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[1] has some history, but only of the Coney Island Avenue Line (though it does say they ran from Fulton Ferry to Coney Island).

According to [2], the CI&B had a line to the Hamilton Ferry. This was presumably on 9th Street with Brooklyn City Rail Road trackage rights on Hamilton Avenue. 4 An 1897 map uses its own numbering for routes. 28, 29, and 30 are on the Coney Island Avenue Line:

  • 28 Coney Island Avenue and Smith Street Line, using Jay Street, Prospect Street, and an unclear routing to both the Fulton Ferry and the Catherine Street Ferry
  • 29 9th Street and Hamilton Avenue to Hamilton Ferry
  • 30 probably ending at Bartel Richard Square

Other lines known to be CI&B:

  • 23 DeKalb Avenue Line (leased in 1897), Fulton Street and DeKalb Avenue into Queens; this was probably realigned to use Gold Street and Willoughby Street after the CI&B leased it - but an 1890 map on the David Rumsey Map Collection shows the DeKalb Avenue trackage turning down Fleet Place (or whatever it was called then) to Willoughby Street. There were probably a lot of changes early on as companies acquired others and got rid of trackage rights over competitors.
  • 33 Franklin Avenue Line (acquired 1891 or 1892), Grand Street Ferry down Wythe Avenue and Franklin Avenue to east side of Prospect Park; later extended to Park Circle for a connection to Coney Island Avenue

It's also likely based on [3] that the CI&B had the Lorimer Street Line (though the Greenpoint and Lorimer Street Railroad was part of the Brooklyn City Rail Road?), which used the same path as the Franklin Street Line around the south side of Prospect Park and to Flushing Avenue, and then used Flushing Avenue, Lee Avenue, Lorimer Street, Driggs Avenue/Manhattan Avenue and Lorimer Street/Nassau Avenue, and Nassau Avenue to near Henry Street. Flushing and Nostrand Avenues would have been trackage rights on the Brooklyn City Rail Road, assuming it went that way originally. This seems like a strange route for the CI&B to have, not connecting to anything important at the north end; the DeKalb Avenue Line was at least proposed to North Beach (now La Guardia).

--NE2 02:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a description from 1874:

FULTON FERRY to Coney Island, via Water, Main, Prospect, Jay, Smith and Ninth Sts., Ninth Avenue and Fifteenth Street to City Line. Returning by same route to York Street, thence through York, Main and Water Streets.

--NE2 02:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a full (?) list of lines in Brooklyn Daily Eagle 7/16/1899 page 1:

It also lists all the lines of other companies. --NE2 17:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)