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Why is this article with the Spanish diacritics ? The Condor Legion was a German unit, shouldn't the German spelling be used ? Rama 14:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Were the Condor Legion volunteers or were they sent? It seems as if they were sent, the article implies that there was a continuation of German military structures... is there any eveidence of someone who refused to be sent? Duncan 20:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

The Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighter, Heinkel He 111 medium bomber, and from December 1937, the Junkers Ju 87 Stuka dive-bomber, first saw active service in the Condor Legion fighting against Soviet supplied aircraft.[4] Each of these aircraft, although verging on obsolete by the mid-1940s, played a major role during the early years of the Second World War.

This section makes no sense. Any aircraft in service at the time of the Spanish Civil War would be obsolete by the mid 1940s. If the author meant to say early 1940s then the statement is factually incorrect in regard to the Bf 109 and the He 111. Indeed the Bf 109 was arguably the best fighter in the world in the early 1940s, with only the Supermarine Spitfire being a serious contender for the title. Lexington50 04:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added further detail

Added more detail clearing up some misleading points in the article and rearranged it. More could be added; involvement of Kriegsmarine, objections from German High Command, deployment of Canaris/Abwehr, SIGINT stations setup, construction of facilities in Spain, continuing presence of Germans in Spain, markings/decals, a history of actions, the history of German Spanish interactions leading up to the aid, joint operations with Regia Aeronautica, CTV, Franco forces etc etc. Just no time to do it.

The wisdom of including all the above and the wisdom of referring to non airforce personnel who entered the theater as Legion Kondor is somewhere I did not go. The article Spanish Civil War and Foreign Involvement should give a synopsis of it all so some of the bases I touched on here truly belong in that parent article or an article that goes into some depth on Axis involvement and the total lack of Soviet/French/British military aid.

Lexington50, I removed the sentence. Only reason I correct wikipedia articles is because they receive a high google rank not to battle wits on talkpages.

Newsheep, they were volunteers, and rank did not carry to their new postings. This is not stressed in the article but in effect they had to resign from German service to fight. See Trautloft for details. Obviously the removal of rank probably did not apply to those serving aboard Deutschland and other capital ships but as noted, no time to go into the semantic gymnastics to describe the entire thing. Fluffy999 16:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Described some of Operation Ursula and mentioned sottomarini legionari.Fluffy999 14:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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Dont know how to add it to the other project categories but it might just be a case of adding the tags to this page. Fluffy999 14:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Start Class yey! Let that be a lesson- put in your request for review then make your additions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fluffy999 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Page move to Condor Legion

It is my understanding that the subject of this article is normally referred to as the Condor Legion in English (eg. in Mason's The Rise of the Luftwaffe). That being the case, in line with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), this page should be moved to Condor Legion with the German included in the first sentence of the article. What do others think? Greenshed 08:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Interestingly, I've just had a look at the German Wikipedia page (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legion_Condor) and it is titled Legion Condor, not Legion Kondor. This calls into question whether Kondor is the correct German spelling in this context. Can anyone provide a citation? Greenshed 08:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Page moved. Greenshed 19:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

"Kondor" is the modern spelling. The correct spelling in this context is "Condor". There are other examples, eg "Context" was changed to "Kontext" in modern German. (84.154.210.193 18:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC))

Hitler:

'You know my opinion of Franco... We ought to keep these Red Spaniards on the back burner... They're lost to democracy, and to that reactionary crew round Franco too... I believe you to the letter, Speer, that they were impressive people. I must say, in general, that during the civil war the idealism was not on Franco's side; it was to be found among the Reds...one of these days we'll be able to make use of them...The whole thing will start all over again. But with us on the opposite side.'

Quoted in Albert Speer's diary entry for 26 December, 1950 recalling a conversation with Hitler in January 1943 (Albert Speer, Spandau: The Secret Diary (Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 2000), p. 167.)

'I am quite sure that very few of the so-called Reds in Spain were really Communists. We were badly deceived, for, had I known the real state of affairs, I would never have allowed our aircraft to bombard and destroy a starving population and at the same time re-establish the Spanish clergy in all their horrible privileges.' (Hitler's Political Testament, 10th February 1945) --24.107.177.15 04:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)