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Have contacted the author of the comic, and asked for permission to use an image from the official site. Bjelleklang 17:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Serious air?

Is it just me, or are the comics taking on a more serious air now that Gordon Freeman is on the scene? Freeman killed a Combine Soldier with the Gravity Gun, and we're witnessing the soldiers distraught children and co-workers come to terms with the death ([1] and following). Maybe this should be mentioned? Crimson Shadow 11:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't think so. I think it's just spoofing how the bad guys get killed off in games with little or no thought about them. I'm sure Austin Powers did something similar. Boyinabox20:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible. Let's play the wait and see game to find out. Crimson Shadow 06:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Chris has addressed this in his notes and said this was not his intention. So I believe no change pertaining to this need be made. Thmars10 05:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Things to do

This article is a stub, so maybe we can write what the article needs here. --Henrikb4 15:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

  • All the letters Frohmann wrote to Breen
  • The cast
--Henrikb4 15:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


I would disagree that the article should include letters to breen, because they're just part of the comic. It's like saying you should list each time a Combine soldier appears.

--Spinn 21:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

i think it would be a good idea for the letters. just for fan interest86.31.229.44 11:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


hmm... your right

--Henrikb4 20:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

It should probably make a reference to father Grigori and the apartment hunt, but IMO it doesn't need any of the letters. What about including a little note as to how the comic is written/created? Bjelleklang - talk 21:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, i was kinda thinking about adding something like that, but I'm not sure if it's redundant after adding the link to Garry's Mod or not.

--Spinn 02:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Cast

I do think this should contain a cast list.Thmars10 05:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I think having a cast list would be a good idea although there is one on the Concerned website. Maybe someone could write up their own version Pillsy 10:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah a cast list would be helpful but should be rewritten as a Wiki article, not have the funny little text from the Concerned Website (such as Eli's)

[edit] Running gags

Should mention something about the G-Man's appearance in every chapter since Chapter One. Another note is that the chapters' names also spoof those from Half-Life 2 (Route Kanal/Route Banal; Highway 17/Bike Lane 17; etc.) ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 19:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC) ╫

Go for it. Maybe mention how the gags tie into Half Life 2. Thmars10 05:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Frohman Not Freeman: why was this deleted, it happpened quite a bit in the comic, but has since stopped, the last one was when "frank" had died and the solider said
"gordon freeman killed him"
"what gordon frohman?"
"no Freeman" 86.31.229.44 11:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem was that the original citations only point to one scene (stretching two consecutive strips), and it didn't seem to be sufficient grounds for inclusion because it would seem to be more of a one time joke than a "recurring gag." Thanks for the clarification, though; I was having a hard time finding another reference to this gag somewhere else in the entire comic. I've rewritten and returned the entry for the trouble. :) ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:57, 21 July 2006 (UTC) ╫

Ahh thanks, just seemed important to me86.31.229.44 11:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Started A Gordon Frohman Character Page

Sorry for the lack of information, but i will add more soon. and could someone sort out the picture? it didn't come up :S86.31.229.44 11:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

What Gordon Frohman character page? Typing "Gordon Frohman" brings you back to "Concerned".Crimson Shadow 12:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The page was redirected to this article, based on discussions that it wasn't in accordance to webcomic article format and that the article is not likely to survive a nomination for deletion. Hope that helps clear things up. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 12:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC) ╫


[edit] Concerned Fourm

Should this have some sort of section?

i mean it has quite a culture going on, and of course the cheese is often noted in the comic.Slayerx675 18:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

What could we say about it? That it exists? That ll I can think of. On another note, I noticed you entered in a large amount of whitespace. That was not necessary, thus I've taken the liberty of removing it. And remember to sign your comments please. Crimson Shadow 15:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm see what spinn has to say on the matterSlayerx675 18:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

i have made a short one, i would be very happy to see other people contribeute to this section other wise it might be ....baleeted...86.31.236.20 18:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I must to object its inclusion. The comic itself is cited by notable publications, but the forum and its activities aren't, failing all criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia:Notability (web). ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 09:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] CS Parody

Should something maybe be added to mention the mini-parodies of Counter-Strike in the comic?--208.104.110.149 20:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Guest Comics

Should it be mentioned? likely to reappear86.31.229.44 11:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chapter numbering

Last time I checked, the numbers in the game had no chapter 9a, Entanglement was Chapter 10. Or should I post a screenshot? - Sikon 09:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead and post a screenshot, I'm interested. The 9a claim is verified from both the Valve Development Community wiki and Half-Life series storyline#Half-Life 2, but I'm still fuzzy with the chapter selection screen, though. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 11:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC) ╫
It's 9a. Try playing the game. Crimson Shadow 16:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Frohman Birthdate related to the release date of Half-Life

It is stated that Frohman's Birthdate (20 nov.) is related to Half-Life release date, which is more likely a day before (19 nov.). Is there a reliable source which says that Frohman's Birthdate relativity to Half-Life's may be actually true?-86.198.75.226 21:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Significant Milestones

This article should probably have a list of significant milestones for the comic. The following could be an example.

  • Concerned #51 "Fist Appearance of Sandy"
  • Concerned #59 "Death of Sandy"
  • Concerned #60 "Frohman Receives His Shovel" (One of the more significant events in the comic)
  • Anticitizen 101
  • Concerned #146 "Arrival of Gordon Freeman

The list would continue something like that. The chapter headings would indicate what chapter the milestone took place in and would only be placed at the beginning of said chapter, not before each significant milestone in that chapter. In the case where teh chapter title appears at the end of the strip, would that indicate that the entire strip is within that chapter or only the last frame? Anticitizen 101 begins this way on strip #146 for example. Freeman appears on the last frame of that strip, along with the title for Chapter Anticitizen 101. What if the significant milestone appears towards the top? Palehorse864 20:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

We could simply sum up portions of these plot points in the Plot section, since this proposed summary essentially contains a redundancy of both the Plot and Trivia sections. Also, of priority right now is expanding the first half of the plot summary first before considering a section dedicated to "milstones," since recent edits had only focus on the second half of the summary, and it makes it hard to gauge the need for a milestones section for now. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 13:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Factual Accuracy - Delete?

Aside from the fact that this is really written in POV and isn't encyclopedic (at the very least, it needs to be renamed and reorganized), is it even really worth mention?

Of the ones remaining (the ones that can't be argued as "true" with a bit of common sense), we have something where the author took an artistic liberty (that Valve later commented on and proved wrong) and two that, while "false" aren't all that important. And in reference to the lack of Decay in the timeline, it is like saying that a parody of a political speech has factual inaccuracies.

And most of all, I feel this is actually disrespectful to the artist in the first place. To nitpick in such a public place is basically saying that it isn't good enough. While this shouldn't be a concern for an encyclopedia entry, the section itself isn't that big of a deal in the first place. If it won't hurt the article (if anything, it might strengthen it by making it more encyclopedic), why not remove it?

Gundato 21:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There are at least two errors that I can identify as being true between the comic and the games, and they must be mentioned at least in brief. Specifically, that of Frohman's task to deliver the test sample, and the suppression field. The rest are actually part of a former list of goofs that I had to cut down for listing irrelevant trivia (spelling errors, disordered scenes and minor errors in minute details were among those removed). Since the list has now shrunken and the rest of the list is now questionable, it would be a good time to merge these two errors in the "Factual accuracy" section into the "Theme" section, and remove the rest. But I don't see how the entire section is "disrespectful" to the author; while the goofs that were removed are definitely nitpicky, the story behind the two major errors that were mentioned had cited explanations, which appear harmless to be mentioned. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 15:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC) ╫
I am just not sure if that deserves an entire section. It could probably be merged into another section, or at least reworded. At the very least, you have to admit that it isn't the most encyclopedic thing.
Done merging. The accuracy issues have been placed as notes for the Theme section, so it doesn't actual hinder the flow of the section contents. The goof on Lazlo's companion isn't worth the merge. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 19:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Comic has ended

I (and others) have updated the article to reflect the fact that the comic has ended. If we missed anything, please edit. --Wiki Fanatic | Talk 08:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Should we remove the paragraph about not being extended into Episode One? It's somewhat moot now. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 14:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It's pretty much useful to note that the comic will not explore Episode One or later. You won't know if the lack of the paragraph may motivate fans to make up funny ideas/rumors or not. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Ending Controversy

I have edited this line: He realizes this and jokingly says "Buddha" again because he finds the word funny, unwittingly deactivating the cheat code. Because of this, he loses his one health point and dies at the end of the comic. Beacuse it is incorrect. Frohman never gets damaged after he deactivates buddha (deactivating this cheat does not cause you to lose health automatically). I have corrected this line numerous times, please do not reedit this as the above line is incorrect. As for speculation, there is none. In fact, it is speculation that he loses that 1 health point since nothing in the comic indicates that he does. --Wiki Fanatic | Talk 03:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Understood, but how else does he die? --134.219.168.191 17:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Beats me. Some has suggested (this is speculation) that Chris is trying to parody how in HL2 (actually, all FPS's) a person can run, jump, shoot a gun with accuracy, etc. all while being on the verge of death. --Wiki Fanatic | Talk 07:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I think somewhere an explanation for that is given in HL. The HEV suit can provide its user with so much morphine that they wouldn't feel it if their arm were ripped off.--216.20.19.253 19:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Episode 1 information: should it be editted?

At the start of the article, there's a bit that quotes the author of the comic stating Episode 1 won't be depicted in the comic. Seeing how the comic has effectively ended, should that information really be in future tense, or present at all? Halfling Daniel 16:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Reworded. Using the entire quote is restrictive to editing and updates. Is the question also referring to whether the EP1 issue should be mentioned? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 16:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC) ╫

[edit] Links to Zelda?

Has anyone else noticed that in one of the ravenholm comic strips, Frohman mentions side quests and heart containers? A sure link to Zelda, so shouldn't it be mentioned? 85.12.80.128 14:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

You're thinking of this one. It's a reference to Zelda alright; "Little N64 Legend of Zelda humor for ya" et cetera. I'm unsure though if it warrants a mention though. I won't edit it out, but I won't put it in. Anyone else want to chip in? Crimson Shadow 23:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
  Ya it is a reference to Zelda and he also mentions about cuccos so if cuccos are in Zelda then ya it's a link.

[edit] Sources

There is only one independent source in this article, and it is only used to support a quote. This needs some serious assertions of notability, and the articles in game magazines need to be verified and cited.--Drat (Talk) 19:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Good thing the article is specific on which issues of the magazines and which parts mentioned the webcomic. It shouldn't be too hard. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 13:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC) ╫

[edit] pronounciation

how does one pronounce "Frohman"?

...now you're just ignoring me.

Probably Afro+man with the "A" taken off.

fro-man

[edit] Overwatch Soldier plush toy

Someone please put a note to where that is in the Comic, I know I saw it but I don't remember where. (ravenholm?) PS that would be an awesome thing for VALVe to release like the plush headcrabs....

It's in #89 just so you know.

[edit] episode 2 injoke

Anybody who played episode 2 notice there is character in white forest before the attack who acts like FrohMan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by QX100 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean the male_07 rebel who made up AR3s? I suppose he acted a bit like Frohman, nothing worth putting in the article though. Deepfatfryed (talk) 13:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Gordon Frohman

I removed the Gordon Frohman article and redirected it to Concerned because the information in Concerned is both superior and more efficient than this article, thus rendering it useless. Furthermore, oo quote the user TTN regarding another topic, "the character does not assert notability. They either need real world information or they need to be merged. If there are no ways presented that show the possibility for sources, they will be merged here in a few weeks." Considering it's a fan-work spanning all of one game engine, it has even less real-world notability than, say, a page about Gordon Freeman would. Thank you for your understanding. ~ Joseph Collins [U|T|C] 20:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming comic and minor reference to Frohman

Livingston may soon be starting a new comic, called 1fort, which parodies Team Fortress 2. On the "About" page ( http://www.1fort.com/blog/about/ ) he states that Gordon Frohman won't be appearing in it. I'm not sure how best to work any of this into the article so I am just mentioning it here. ~ Brighid 67.84.126.36 (talk) 08:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)