Talk:Conan (Dark Horse Comics)

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[edit] Second Series...

I know it is an arbitary renumbering, but does this page need to be restructed a little to reflect the two different series. There's a lot of general and backgorund stuff that might be specific only to the first series... Duggy 1138 22:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Merge the two Dark Horse articles, no reason for these to be seperate. Conan (comics) should also be moved to Conan (Marvel Comics) and create a disambiguation page at Conan (comics) -- 69.182.199.231 (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

There is very much a need for two articles. Three actually, once "Conan The Cimmerian" starts up. The (admittedly badly named) Conan (Dark Horse comics) covers the two ongoing series, the one shots, the mini-series, and collections. The Conan (Dark Horse comic) is about one of those ongoing series.

Duggy 1138 (talk) 05:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

As to the other points about Conan (comics) and Conan (Marvel comics) it sounds like it is worth considering, but not here, on one of those pages.

Duggy 1138 (talk) 05:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It is far more confusing than that as we currently have:

• Conan (Dark Horse Comics)
• Conan (Dark Horse comic)
• Conan (Dark Horse comics)
• Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic)

We surely don't need then all and I'd have thought we could get this down to 1 or at a push 2 (I'd say 1 and we can then look into splitting others off). (Emperor (talk) 15:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC))

• Observations
  • Conan the Barbarian (disambiguation) serves as a current dab hub for the character. That lists (comics) as both Marvel and Dark Horse. Based on that, moving Conan (comics) to Conan (Marvel Comics) and recasting (comics) as a sub-dab makes a lot of sense.
  • For all intents Conan (Dark Horse Comics), Conan (Dark Horse comic), and Conan (Dark Horse comics) appear to be the same article. They should collapse to Conan (Dark Horse Comics), properly dabing to the company. in the merge, the (Dark Horse comic) should lose the issues table. Wikipedia is not a comic book index.
  • Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) Looks like some one is setting up a second index. At best it should fold into the DH Conan article. At worst it doesn't need the parenthetical — Conan The Cimmerian doesn't exist.
• Nutshell — Move Marvel and Merge Dark Horse - J Greb (talk) 16:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Ah a but just to catch you out there is already Conan (Marvel comics)!! What I'd suggest is we cut Conan (comics) down to more of an index, with the Dark Horse and Marvel sections providing an overview (this leaves it open for other versions - I can't guarantee there aren't some in other languages and it allows for spoofs, etc.). Then merge all Dark Horse articles to Conan (Dark Horse Comics). Also move Conan (Marvel comics) to Conan (Marvel Comics). (Emperor (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC))
    • I agree, only 3 pages are needed at most. Conan (Dark Horse comic) should remain the lone Dark Horse page as it has the longer edit history and its the page the others were split from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.199.231 (talk) 04:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Actually technically according to naming conventions the right name is Conan (Dark Horse Comics). I'm going to ask for input. (Emperor (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC))
        • See e.g. X (Dark Horse Comics) and Rex Mundi (Dark Horse Comics). So I'm reversing my suggestion. The three identically titled articles should go to Conan (Dark Horse Comics). (Emperor (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC))

Just to clarify these are my suggested solutions:

• Conan (Marvel comics) moved to Conan (Marvel Comics)
• Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) moved to Conan the Cimmerian (comics)
• Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan (Dark Horse comics) merged into Conan (Dark Horse Comics)

Which are all the consistent solutions within the comic project naming conventions and with J Greb's suggestions above except Conan the Cimmerian (small "t" as it should be) rightly redirects the main article. (Emperor (talk) 17:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC))

I'd suggest page history merges for any merges, unless that's what you meant. If you're unsure how to do it, let me know which pages to merge and I'll do it. Hiding T 19:36, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Good idea - if you wouldn't mind. I'd need a few practices in my sandbox before taking on a three-way history merge ;) (Emperor (talk) 02:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC))

The three pages really aren't identical, and when combine they're a horrible, horrible mess, which is why the were split off in the first place. But, hey, if you guys can solve those problems go ahead. Duggy 1138 (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not sure why the Dark Horse Conan comics overview page (two series, one shot, minis, collections) page and the first series page are to be combined and the second series is to get its own page. It seems to be bias based on the name. All three should be combined, or none (IMO). Duggy 1138 (talk) 13:06, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I'd not object to that idea. The problem is that there is a large amount of overlap between all 3. Merging shouldn't be that messy. Conan (Dark Horse comics) and Conan (Dark Horse Comics) get combined to create the main overview and then Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) just fit into the relevant sections. All of them need tightening up but that will have to wait until after the merge (I'll do a few runs through them). (Emperor (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC))
    • What's occurring then? Hiding T 10:23, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, clearly Conan (Dark Horse comics) should be deleted as it is just a badly capitalised version of Conan (Dark Horse Comics). Other than that the consensus seems to be merge the two ongoing series into Conan (Dark Horse Comics), with a redirect from the Conan the Cimmerian series page. Not that I'm for it, but that's the consensus as I see it. There's also some Conan (Comics), (Marvel Comics), (Dark Horse Comics) issues, which seem to be decided, but I think that should be discussed separately. Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Basically Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) get slotted into the sections available for them in Conan (Dark Horse Comics). It may be that there are bits of Conan (Dark Horse comics) that could also be incorporated but they are pretty similar and we can double check later.

I will move the Marvel one now and once we have the Dark Horse one settled I'll trim down Conan (comics). That should do I think - there wil need to be some copy editing and such but the major thing is the Dark Horse merges. (Emperor (talk) 03:00, 25 April 2008 (UTC))

Yeah, Conan (Dark Horse comics) was more different than I expected. I've basically dropped all the extra information from that page into this one. Which means the formating is off now. Another pair of eyes might be a good idea (I may have missed things) but once we're happy that that page isn't needed I think we can quick delete it. I'm not saying that the changes to Conan (Dark Horse Comics) are the better of the two versions, just moving stuff so it can be quickly undone/deleted/fixed by other editors. Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

• Does Conan (Comics) really need to be anything more than a disambiguous page? Probably with "Comics from Marvel", "Comics from DH" and titles, without all the information that is replicated on the separate pages anyway? Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
  • We can look it over later - I don't see a problem with it being a general overview like Indiana Jones comic books (or Thor (comics)) but we can see if it needs turning into a setindex further down the line. I suppose it depends on how important the general stuff is like parodies (which would need to be in a general topic). (Emperor (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC))
• I think its very important to merge all Dark Horse articles into Conan (Dark Horse comic) and then properly rename it. Don't loose 2 years of edit history to one of these new spinoff articles -- 69.182.79.163 (talk) 21:30, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Hiding will do a history merge of the 3 merged pages so nothing will be lost. (Emperor (talk) 23:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC))
• Okay, I hope I have done this right:

Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic), Conan (Dark Horse comic) and Conan (Dark Horse comics) have all been merged into Conan (Dark Horse Comics). I have slotted in the relevant information from Conan The Cimmerian (Dark Horse comic) and Conan (Dark Horse comic) to their appropriate sections, whilst Conan (Dark Horse comics) appeared to mirror this. Hiding T 14:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

That looks to be right.

What it needs now is a thorough edit. There appear to be two images appearing twice which will need removing. We could also do with an infobox (or perhaps two).

I also wonder if we should just list the Marvel Comics that Dark Horse reprint on the Marvel article and then link through to it. That stop the information being replicated.

Overall good stuff, now for the polishing. (Emperor (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC))

I think that the collections work a little better here. There isn't any real collection section on the marvel page, I think a link there to the collections here works. Duggy 1138 (talk) 04:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

OK... oes that mean we can purge the duped images and the index tables now? - J Greb (talk) 22:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)