Talk:CONMEBOL
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[edit] Page name
Please do not move this page from "CONMEBOL", as international football organizations are named on Wikipedia by their acronyms, except for the ones that can mean different things. And "CONMEBOL" is how this conference is known throughout the English-speaking word. --Dryazan 00:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Non-participations of Uruguay and Argentina
I don't fully understand why User:Chanheigeorge removed the footnotes that explained that Uruguay and Argentina did not participate of certain World Cup championships because of non-sportive reasons. He considers them irrelevant, I don't know on which basis. I'm restoring the footnotes, trying to be bold, so if Chanheigeorge or anyone else think it should be removed again, we'll discuss it here. Thanks, Mariano(t/c) 07:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
- I believe in footnotes 2 and 3, the teams either withdrew or did not enter the qualifying competition, and none of them qualified for a place in the final tournament. So I don't see why they should be mentioned in CONMEBOL qualifiers. Frankly, a lot of teams do not enter World Cups due to non-sportive reasons, not just the few you mentioned. Footnote 1 is okay 'cos Uruguay not defending their title in World Cup 1934 is quite special and probably deserves a mention. Chanheigeorge 07:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the mention should be because they refused to play the qualifiers. Nobody will ever know if Argentina and Uruguay could have qualified for the 1938 WC, but it is important to note that they did not participate of the World Cup because in a complot to the French organization, the teams decided not to participate. The idea was that the 1938 should take place in South America (namely Argentina), alternating the organization between the old and new contintens. Because inspite of this the FIFA granted France the organization, both countries decided to step off the competition. I think is worth mentioning that Brazil was the only country to qualify because Argentina and Uruguay decided not to participate, and not because they had a poor performance in the qualifications. Do you se my point? Looking at the qualifiers list you get the wrong impression that those countries didn't qualify, and that there was only 1 place for the South American comfederation. In order to avoid misunderstandings, I believe the footnotes produce more good than bad. Perhaps this could be written instead of a comment to the list, including the 2006 loss of one place after the Uruguay defeat against Australia, and other such things. Mariano(t/c) 11:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
- I see your points but I still disagree. The reasons you added the footnotes seem to be They would have qualified if they entered and South America would get more spots if they entered. However, I have to point out:
- The points you made are not verifiable. As you said, nobody knows what would happen if they entered; they may have qualified or they may still be knocked out. We can only speculate about "what if". And I don't know any source that says South America would get more spots if more teams entered. It's certainly possible - if all ten teams entered, FIFA would probably give South America more than one spot. However, we're again speculating.
- There are many many teams who do not enter a World Cup due to non-sporting reasons, not just the few you mentioned. Venezuela did not enter before 1966 - should we add a footnote for them too? England did not enter before World War II - many people regard them as one of the best teams in the world at that time - should we add a footnote besides Uruguay winning the World Cup in 1930, or Italy winning in 1934 and 1938? If we do that, we will never finish adding footnotes to every result or record in sports.
- The purpose of this list is merely to indicate who qualified. If a country does not appear, it can mean: a. They did not qualify; b. They did not enter; c. They were banned, etc. I do not see a need to complicate things. If we're writing an article, then I would agree with your addition of information. However, in a list, I think keeping it as simple as possible is always preferred.
- Chanheigeorge 00:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I still don't see why are you against this kind of comments. I would actually add the comment on England in the proper place, not because 'it might have qualified', but because 'it didn't participate of the qualifications'. The title of the section is "CONMEBOL World Cup Qualifiers", so I truly see no reason to, for instance, explain why in 1938 only Brazil qualified, since it directly affects the result of the list. The reason I added those comments has little to do with personal pride, I just came across the information, corroborated it (I gave references) and thought it was worth mentioning. Mariano(t/c) 09:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
-OK, I moved the information to the qualification pages (I didn't know we already had them all) and added references to them. Mariano(t/c) 10:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
- It looks good now. Thanks. Chanheigeorge 11:00, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] New Zealand switching to CONMEBOL
Now that Australia is part of Asia (as for football); how big is the rumor that New Zealand plans to join CONMEBOL? If this happens, would the Oceania federation cease to exist? El Chompiras 20:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have not heard anything about that but it will be very unlikely. Bruno18 01:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Guyana link
The link to Guyana's football federation sends you to Guinea. I dont really know how to change it or i would.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.126.31.167 (talk • contribs)
