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[edit] Timestamped

[edit] CJ

I have set up a quick vote, as a counciler, may I ask you voice your opinions. Thanks! Ian13/talk 14:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You want to delete the deletion board! The irony is beond me ;) This is designed to be humourous, not offencive, POV pushing, or offencive in any way... Ian13/talk 11:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Award

Thanks! Oh, and good luck on your RFA; I didn't expect people would react so fiercely to one Wikiproject. I mean, seriously, how does your involvement in a sincere, good faith project make you a bad person? Mind boggling. Anyway, thanks again, and if I can ever help out, feel free to ask! :D Cheers, Master of Puppets That's hot. 17:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RfA

Hey Joe, thanks for getting in touch. Personally I opposed partly because of your interaction with the mailing list, which didn't reveal the level of maturity I expect of an admin, and partly because of the various examples provided by Sean Black in his opposition rationale. I would certainly support a future RfA if your editing behaviour from now on shows those fears to be groundless (although, of course, your current RfA hasn't finished yet!). Cheers, --Nick Boalch\talk 20:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your request at the top of your RfA page

Hi Computerjoe. Regarding your concern that Oppose notes due to WP:CJ are not helpful, I can only say that this question has been asked repeatedly, and answered. For example, Osbus and Master of Puppets asked about it in the comments section, and I replied that I think the approach you've shown in founding/running WP:CJ is reasonable to use as an indicator of how you would do things as an administrator. Do you find that explanation unsatisfactory? SCZenz 21:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RSS

If you want to make a better, working, automatic version of http://tools.wikimedia.de/~ral315/signpost.rss feel free. If you're up to it! :grin: --Col. Hauler 23:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] My RFA

Image:Nuvola apps package wordprocessing.png Thank you for your recent vote on my RFA, regardless of how you voted. I appreciate all votes. I am going to wait until I have more edits in all namespaces. (And also improve answering impossible questions ;). Hopefully one day I will be more sucessful than it was looking, once I meet most user's voting standards. Again, thanks for your time! ~Linuxerist E/L/T 02:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Vandal Proof

Thanks for approving me. I don't have several of the required files. I guess that means I should wait for the setup program for the current version? Good luck in your RfA. --Kchase02 (T) 01:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Test4im

Hi Joe, please consider using another template than the template {{Test4im-n}}. Message like that, especially on a dynamic IP, can be quite confusing to innocent users who see the template days or weeks later. Also, it makes every warning from that point on the same page look silly... I understand that there are situations where you'd like to use a template like this, but in those cases, please consider something like {{bv}}. --JoanneB 09:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes ma'am, I tend to use test4im-n alot as I often find it easiest and I made it. In the future, I'll make only use it for usernames. I can't judge if an IP is dynamic or not in VP. Computerjoe's talk 09:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
It was no order, don't get me wrong :) I now see my wording was a bit 'peculiar', let's blame it on the lack of coffee and the early morning, sorry :) I just saw it pop up a few times, and after all the e-mails about it I've answered via OTRS, I might be a bit too focused on the effect of such warnings to innocent first time users who stumble upon their talk page. Anyway, have a nice day! Kind regards, --JoanneB 14:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Civility warning

G'day Joe,

thanks for your message. It's always nice to be kept on one's toes. Perhaps, as one of Concordia's staff of civility experts, you could explain to me exactly where in my reply I crossed the line from merely "strident" into the ghastly reaches of "incivil"? Rest assured I eagerly anticipate your advice on how I could best rephrase my comment to fit within Concordia's guidelines. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 11:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I also look forward to seeing this. I've reviewed the comment in question and see nothing incivil about it. Please enlighten me as well as to what Concordia feels is inappropriate about his comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 12:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I found "hey, remember whatever CJ is called this week and all its derivatives? Were you involved in that?", lie to them. offensive - and I'm sure other (good faith) members would agree. I think this offense was caused on purpose, and was uncivil. Computerjoe's talk 15:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I was trying to get across that CJ et al. is a really very terrible idea. I suspect the way that I phrased it was not incivil (compare with the things that CJ/CCD members say), and did not cause offence: but the thoughts behind them did. Lookit, I appreciate that it hurts, seeing something you've put some effort into crumble. It's wounding for the ego, and depressing to see your fellow Wikipedians discussing the shortcomings of something you care about. I could have been more diplomatic, certainly (I don't know how, but I'm sure it's possible, and would welcome suggestions), but at the end of the day the fact remains that I think CJ/CCD is an absolutely woeful idea that needs to be killed. Is there any way I could express that view without causing offence, given that it's your baby? I suspect not. This is one of those unfortunate things. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 15:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
CJ is by no means my baby - and I suspect what it going through now is simply a phase, though I do dislike it. Computerjoe's talk 15:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Relax from the stress

Perfectly percolated coffee, Esperanza's own blend.
Perfectly percolated coffee, Esperanza's own blend.

Hey Computerjoe, I'm sorry to see how much stress your RfA is causing. I hope you Wikibreak is nice and relaxing! Have some nice Esperanza coffee in the meantime. -- Natalya 14:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


Natalya always tends to beat me to these things. Just wanted to leave a supportive note on your user page, what with the beating that CJ/Concordia has taken lately. You've been at the brunt end of a lot of criticism, and regardless what happens with the project, I hope that you won't lose sight of your overarching goal of creating a peaceful environment. Also, I hope that the criticism, some of it unnecessarily harsh, doesn't discourage you from continuing as an active member of Wikipedia (or from missing the legit reasons some are giving to oppose the project). At the end of the day, I think you've had a positive effect on most of the editors involved. Enjoy your break, take a breather, and learn from the experience. Let me know if I can help. Tijuana BrassE@ 22:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Your RfA

Fine, I'll change it to support. Ok? --GeorgeMoney T·C 16:50, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Only if you think it appropiate. Computerjoe's talk 16:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
No, no. I will Support. I just voted for that because it was late and I was reading the oppose votes, and I guess they convinced me. I understand how you don't like people judging your admin abilities on your organisation. But, first, I have to vote in some other RfA's. --GeorgeMoney T·C 17:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


I hope you win!—Argentino (talk/cont.) 17:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Another Award

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For working on organazations that defend users rights such as Concordia. GorillazFan Adam 23:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Concordia

I ask you remove the historical tag. No matter how disbanded this project becomes, I think it should stay just as it is. Goodbye for now... Ian13/talk 12:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Korn_Kovers

Why did you close the AfD for Korn Kovers after only 12 hours? This is definitely not a speedy keep situation. There were 2 keeps and 1 weak keep. 2 of the votes came before I posted a second comment in there, so those users did not get the clarification I offered. Can you please justify why you did this? Metros232 15:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, human error. I was looking at the wrong day. My apologies. Computerjoe's talk 16:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
It's all good. Just wanted to make sure you didn't have some personal vendetta against the AfD or something :) Have a splendid Sunday. Metros232 16:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Computerjoe. I have seen fuddlemark reminding you twice on Afd, that they are not votes. Regards. --Andy123 13:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
PS. Sorry about the sig. :) --Andy123 13:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
In that case, I will abstain from voting. Regards, --Andy123 13:07, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
We vote to derieve consensus. RfA and AfDs are completely different. --Andy123 13:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry about the signature. I was working on it. ;) --Andy123 candy? 13:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:9rules.png

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Sorry. I'll add it. Computerjoe's talk 13:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Tired

I am not changing my username. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 15:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User talk:AmiDaniel/VP/Bugs#Barney & Barney & Friends

Can you have a look at that. It's not your fault but you might have some idea of why it happened. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 16:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks

...for correcting my MfD error. :) -GTBacchus(talk) 17:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

. . . and for pointing me at the right place also. Mike Christie 17:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User Page Award

  • Thanks for the barnstar!

You are welcome. :) I enjoy good user pages and think they help create a more pleasant and useful WP community. So, thanks for the effort. –Frater5 (talk/con) 17:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Whoops, mad moderation

We seem to have both accepted User:Whomp and User:Wizardman's requests to use VandalProof! It was my first set of approvals as a moderator, so naturally I was rather excited. Apologies for ending up doing it twice - at least I got there first! Thanks. --Xyrael T 18:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I also interfered, it was I who actually approved the users. Prodego talk 18:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I'll change

I'll change my name to Texan. First, you must approve of the name. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 19:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Plus you must dlete all my userspace. I want a fresh start. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 19:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a sysop. Computerjoe's talk 19:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't need Wikipedia you know. I can easily become an administartor on the WarWiki. Of course the girl I really like has an account here. General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 19:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I changed my userpage so that it talks about my REAL LIFE, which is an ordinary kid from Kentucky. May I please keep my username? General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 20:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
It is not my choice. I have some reservations, but not as many. Computerjoe's talk 20:40, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
So that means I can keep it right? General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 20:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
With me, it's still note great - but better. Computerjoe's talk 20:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Don't be a dick

G'day Joe,

m:DICK serves a very valuable purpose. It's a good philosophy for getting on with others in online collaborative environments, and can be useful for you or I to refer to. However, it is almost never a good idea to show it to another user and say, you need to stop being a dick. That is ... incivil. I appreciate your frustration, but making personal attacks like that wasn't called for. Cheers, fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 19:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep. I shouldn't have replied or simply have stated WP:POINT - though I didn't think of this at the time. Thanks and apologies. Computerjoe's talk 19:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RfA Notification

Hello! I noticed that you have interacted with User:Osbus who is currently undergoing an RfA and thought that you might be interested in participating at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Osbus. You have received this message without the endorsement of the candidate involved, and this is not a solicitation of support, it is only an effort to make RfA discussions better (for more information see user:ShortJason/Publicity). Thank you in advance for your participation. ShortJason 22:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] George Money

G'day Computerjoe,

please have a dekko at this. I am sure that George will be more than capable of behaving himself now, and I hope that you will be able to reciprocate in the meantime by leaving well enough alone. What do you say? fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 22:15, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Meh, as said it was nothing personal. I'll leave him alone, to the wholepart. Computerjoe's talk 08:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Request for Adminship

It is my regretful task to inform you that your recent request for adminship did not achieve consensus, and has been closed. I hope that you will continue your useful contributions to Wikipedia. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 02:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Joe. I'm sorry, and really surprised, that your RfA didn't pass. Please don't get disheartened, you are clearly a contributor who is highly valued by the rest of the community and I am sure you'll fly through in a couple of months once these concerns about CJ are firmly in the past. Cheers TigerShark 02:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Oops!

Check this out: - Removed yours/mine for this user and left yours alone for User:LBM (but used the updated {{WelcomeVP}} template. We're just too efficient! :) - Glen TC (Stollery) 18:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] SVG Help

Please could someone fix Image:Pentominos.svg or is someone a Commons sysop to delete it? Computerjoe's talk 19:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FreeCharity.org.uk

I'm not sure why you marked my article on FreeCharity.org.uk for deletion. To be honest I probably wouldn't have written it but there is a page for the Wordpress.com site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pishmishy (talk • contribs)

See WP:WEB. Computerjoe's talk 15:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] My RfA

Thanks
Computerjoe/Archive 5, thank you for participating in my RfA. Unfortunately, a great number of oppose voters felt that I lacked experience, and a consensus was not reached (the final tally was 30/28/10). Perhaps I will try again in another few months when I have a few more edits under my belt. If I do, I hope I can count on your support. Thanks again! Cool3 talk 20:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC) (UTC)


[edit] A haiku of thanks

Thanks for your support
In my RfA, which passed!
Wise I'll try to be.

I really, really appreciate your support, especially because you saw fit to change from neutral to support. I hope that whatever made you change your vote continues, and I'll be sure to get working on those Image and Template edits. :)

-- Natalya 04:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Map, please

Hi, not sure exactly what kind of map you want. I'm sort of a little busy the following days but in case there's no hurry I guess I'll be able to help you if I get some more info on what type of map you want. :) – Elisson • Talk 23:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I want a map like Image:Saltburn - North Yorkshire dot.png. Computerjoe's talk 08:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Just edited the position of the dot slightly, Image:Marske - North Yorkshire dot.png. Good enough? – Elisson • Talk 22:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VP

Fair 'nuff. I had thought that maybe my seven months or so on Wikipedia would cause me to be forgiven my slight lack of mainspace edits, but I can certainly understand your decision. --David.Mestel 08:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I look forward to more efficient Vandalfighting! --David.Mestel 08:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow! VP certainly makes vandalfighting much quicker --David.Mestel 10:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Striver/users that view the 9/11 attacks article as govement pov

Are you sure you closed the right page? This one was less than a day old, and it seemed like you were talking about something else entirely.--DCAnderson 18:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I moved it back to TfD. Computerjoe's talk 19:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Impersonation account?

Hi!

We've had a brief rash of impersonation accounts on Wikinews. A recent new username is n:User:Computerjoe, whose user page reads: "Think Computerjoe from the Wikipedia :D Computerjoe 14:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)"

Since this is neither your user page style nor a direct statement with link to your en.wp page, I'm guessing there's a chance this user is attempting to impersonate you. Could you please verify this either is, or is not, you? - Amgine 23:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It's me. Computerjoe's talk 07:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] TfD User:Dtm142/User no evil boxes

Hi, I saw that you moved it to TfD from MfD. While it certainly looks like a template, and can be used like one, it is in userspace, not templatespace. Migrating userboxes from templatespace might be the compromise to settle the userbox issue, keeping POV out of the encyclopedic space (which userpspace isn't afaik), making the anti-userbox faction happy (userboxes no longer seen as "endorsed" by Wikipedia since it is no longer in templatespace and doesn't get a seperate namespace) and making the pro-userbox faction happy (userboxes funcion as well in userspace as in templatespace, POV may remain). Please comment on Wikipedia:The German solution for userboxes if you like, we want to get input from all sides. CharonX/talk 13:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Test

If we told you once we told you 1000 times, we don't deliver pizza. --pgk(talk) 17:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] My RFA

Thanks
Computerjoe/Archive 5, thank you for participating in my RfA. It passed with an amazingly unopposed 77/0/1. Thanks for the support everybody! If you see me doing anything wrong, want to ask me something, or just want to yell in my general direction, leave me a note on my talk page. I promise to try and knock out Wikipedia's problems wherever I may find them!

Staxringold talkcontribs 20:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hey there

Thanks for commenting on my RfA...it was greatly appreciated! --Osbus 21:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] VandalProof

Please tell me if I now have a chance to get permission to use Vandalproof. I recently incorperated popups, but it does not cut it for me. Danl 08:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Userpage and talk page

care to exchange designs? --Cat out 17:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Computerjoe's talk 18:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I would be interested in designing each other's page. However, I would like to know what exactly you are after. Computerjoe's talk 18:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing in particular. Just the 'cultural'/'creative' exchange. --Cat out 18:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I really liked that. I made few minor adjustments to userboxes etc to compress them slightly. Now my turn! --Cat out 01:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I am actualy hesitant to touch it, it looks too harmonious... I do recomend the ribon style barnstar awards... not certain where you'd want them :) --Cat out 01:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikimedia Meta-Wiki

Was this WP:PN, WP:POINT, WP:VANDAL or something else? Computerjoe's talk 16:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I am offended that you would make such rediculous allegations, and I feel that closing the debate prematurely was very inapropriate. The Alexa rank is misleading, since Alexa gives the same rank for subdomains as it does for the main domain. I'm bring this to deletion review. ENpeeOHvee 16:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


PS - I also find it ironic that your talk page says "Concordia - Working to promote civility in Wikipedia" whenyou make baseless allegations of bad faith simply because you disagree with a nomination. ENpeeOHvee 16:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps you should nominate Wikipedia for deletion? Computerjoe's talk 17:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I've now brought this to deletion review. I've already addressed the Wikipedia article. It is kept because it's recieved extensive media coverage, so it's possible to write on it and cite those sources - thus avoiding original research and self-reference. I'm wondering if you actually read the debate before you pre-maturely closed it... ENpeeOHvee 17:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Why delete or keep, why not just redirect it to Wikipedia:Meta? -- from The King of Kings 18:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
The question is if it is encyclopedic or not. Computerjoe's talk 19:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WarWiki

Will you join the WarWiki and help establish a Concordia like the one here on Wikipedia? Plus we need experienced users to help our community grow larger. If you do join, be warned about the difference between Wikipedia and WarWiki. Please.General Eisenhower • (at war or at peace) 22:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

You do not need one. Build it as an encyclopedia, not as a community. In time, perhaps. Computerjoe's talk 07:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Addition to VandalProof

Just thought I should thank you for approving my application to use vandalproof. I've been patrolling Recent Changes for a while now, so this should make life a bit easier. And you can count on me not to let you down. -- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  15:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RfA/Gurch

Thanks for the (non-existent) cabal support – Gurch 17:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

There is a cabal. Computerjoe's talk 17:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)




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[edit] My Sig

It's now only composed of 2 Parts. Anonymous_anonymous 11:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thank you

Image:WikiThanks.png Hi Computerjoe/Archive 5, thank you for voting in my RFA which failed eventually at a result of (91/51/8). I do not plan to run for adminship until a later date. Once again, I would like to thank you for voting. --Terence Ong (talk | contribs) 14:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Joe,

Is there a way I can be notified of changes to my article or the mediation page by email? Sincerely,

Kenneth Montgomery Keillor



[edit] Thanks for Supporting my RfA!

Thank you for supporting my Request for Adminship, which passed by a margin of 54/6/1 (zOMG!). If you see me in the future doing something wrong, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, Ian Manka Talk to me! 00:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] I need an advocate and help with mediation

Greetings,

I need an advocate who will walk me through the mediation application.

I am trying to get the following added to the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics.

I am having problem with an editor by the name of Lethe who follows me around Wikipedia reverting all my edits without commentary.

I have tried reasoning with him on discussion pages, but he refuses to read what I write.

Advantages of MWI

If Hugh Everett's theory was just another interpretation of Quantum Mechanics it would have no followers, especially since it proposes the existence of countless other unverses which theoretically can never be observed. Because it is not falsifiable it seemingly violates Popper's criteria for a good scientific theory. The reason it has so many adherents is because it offers numerous advantages over the Copenhagen Interpretation, among which are the following:

1. Quantum mechanics becomes a deterministic theory making it more compatible with the theory of relativity and all other physics theory to date which are all deterministic. The Coppenhagen Interpretation introduced indeterminacy and randomness into science. Aside from the Coppenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics there is no scientific theory that includes indeterminacy or randomness. Einstein particularly objected to this aspect of the Coppenhagen Interpretation. In response to it, he said, "God does not play dice with the universe."

2. It eliminates the "measurement problem."

3. It eliminates Von Neumann's "boundary problem": where to draw the line between the micro world where quantum mechanics applies, and the macro world where it does not. Shortly before his death in 1953, Albert Einstein wrote: "Like the moon has a definite position whether or not we look at the moon, the same must also hold for the atomic objects, as there is no sharp distinction possible between these and macroscopic objects."

4. It eliminates the special place for an observer and human consciousness.

5. It restores objective reality of the universe between measurements. Shortly before his death, Albert Einstein also wrote: "Observation cannot CREATE an element of reality like a position, there must be something contained in the complete description of physical reality which corresponds to the possibility of observing a position, already before the observation has been actually made."

6. The wave-particle duality paradox evaporates. It simply and naturally explains the double-slit experiment. Richard Feynman said, "[the double-slit experiment] has in it the heart of quantum mechanics. In reality it contains the only mystery." David Deutcsh wrote: ". . . the argument for the many worlds was won with the double-slit experiment."

7. Schrodinger's Cat paradox evaporates.

Based on the above advantages, it seems Einstein's main objections with quantum mechanics had more to do with the Copenhagen Interpretation, than with quantum mechanics itself[citation needed]. While MWI does not quite generate the kinds of worlds necessary to justify the anthropic principle, it is a step on the way to Stephen Hawking's No Boundary Proposal and Max Tegmark's All Universe Hypothesis which do justify the anthropic principle[citation needed].

Michael D. Wolok 17:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm going to have to turn you down, as I am involved in mediating a dispute currently, which is unrelated. I'm just a bit busy, too! Computerjoe's talk 18:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Foundry model

I reworded the sentence in the last paragraph of Foundry model to eliminate photomask which I felt was too technical. Do you see anythign else, besides references, that are still needed? RJFJR 16:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks fine, history seems a little long. Computerjoe's talk 16:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Vandal Proof

Do you know when VandalProof 1.3 will be avaliable to us? Booksworm Talk to me! 16:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ask AmiDaniel. Computerjoe's talk 16:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] RfA thanks!

Thanks for voting!
Hello Computerjoe/Archive 5, and thank you so much for voting in my recent RfA. I am pleased to inform you that it passed with a final tally of (119/1/3), into the WP:100, so I have now been cleared for adminship and will soon be soaring above the clouds. I was overjoyed, shocked, and humbled by the tally, and, most importantly, all the support. Thank you. If there is ever anything you need, you know where you can find me. Take care.

--Pilot|guy 22:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] My RfA

Hello Computerjoe, and thanks for voting in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of (68/19/3). I appreciated your comments, which I hope to take on board in order to gain your respect in my work as an administrator. Best of luck in your continued editing of the encyclopedia! Sam Vimes 17:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Helpme

How do I get a list of double redirects? Computerjoe's talk 20:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

There's one at Special:DoubleRedirects. — TheKMantalk 20:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
But when you go to that page it's blank. Computerjoe's talk 20:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
That's because there are currently none. Take a look at Wikipedia:Double_redirects for more info. --Wisden17 20:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA

Hi, well I'm flattered. I have actually been thinking about standing recently, however I'd like to get my main space edits up first, and maybe get an article to FA status first, and also get a few more edits on all the xfDs under my belt first. I'm considering then waiting 'till mid-July, I had already contact Durin to see if he might nominate me, but I haven't really had much intereation with him, so if you are still of the opinion that I meet RfA standard then, then I would happily accept. --Wisden17 20:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olaf Bull

The pages you requested on Olaf Bull has been translated from the Bokmål and Nynorsk. Please edit as appropriate. Hope it meets your need. Williamborg 02:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic. Computerjoe's talk 07:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
My pleasure. Thanks - Williamborg 14:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editor review

Do you mind having a quick look at my editor review? I feel a little unloved. Wikipedia:Editor Review/Viridae. Thanks Viridae 11:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Viridae 21:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My (Mtz206) RfA

Thank you for voting at my RFA. My Request was successful with 41 supports, 12 opposes and 5 neutrals, and even though you did not vote for me, your counsel was appreciated. As an admin, I intend to work on expanding my involvement in the project namespace. If in any point in the future you get the feeling I'm doing something wrong, do not hesitate to drop me a line. -- mtz206 (talk) 02:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crimean War

Thanks for offering to moderate this issue, Joe. I really want someone to mention in the article on the Crimean war that 1) there was a connection between the defeat of the Impreial Russan forces and the emancipation of Russian serfs and 2) the war resulted in the abolition of sale of commissions by the King's Army in Britian. I provided factual documentation on these points. So far this was deleted twice and I am unable to revise this a third time. I was willing to allow some sort of comprimise but User:Ghirlandajo ignored all attempts to discuss this. Piercetp 01:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cool User Page

Hi, I´m new to Wikipedia, and after long analyzing various User Pages, I have elected yours as the cutest! :) The layout of my bright new User Page is derived from yours. Just wanted you to know. Zumbitone 07:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: VandalProof

I get a message saying that "You might have entered an incorrect username. Currently, your username is set to Fyver528". You just approved my logon, so any idea why it isn't working?

Cheers Fyver528 19:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I was logged in ;) Here's a screenshot, i had followed the steps... http://ccgi.technica44.plus.com/sc1.jpg
Righy oh, thanks for the help.
Just to say that its started working this morning, so all is well. Cheers Fyver528 09:44, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
I've been using it today extensivly and am very impressed. Thanks very much for approving my username, I hope to be a help to the community. Fyver528 12:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice touch

The text "This blog's been mostly silent of late because I haven't really been up to much" on your typical blog picture was a nice touch. Very typical. --GraemeL (talk) 20:40, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AMA

Hi there. Firstly, thankyou for accepting my VP application. It has proved most useful (and, I must admit, somewhat addictive) in finding and reverting vandalism.

Secondly, having been on Wikipedia for a while and read fairly thoroughly the policies which govern it, as well as participating in some AfDs and giving an outside opinion in one or two RfCs, I thought that it might be interesting to serve the community by becoming an advocate. While I am not a lawyer, I do have an interest in English law, as well as debating. However, I am a little worried that I might mess something up, which is why I hesitate from adding my name to the AMA, and jumping straight in. I would therefore be extremely grateful if you could suggest a way I could learn what is required without the possibility of affecting clients, such as by shadowing. Thanks, David.Mestel 06:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

As an advocate, I generally offer advice on not breaching policies, and reminding the party to maintain a cool head in the dispute. An advocate, in my opinion, should aid in making a dispute civil and also standing up for a party if they cannot do it themselves. The best way to learn is to try it. Computerjoe's talk 07:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'll just add myself to the AMA and jump in. One question: is it usual for advocates to communicate with their clients by e-mail, or through user talk pages? --David.Mestel 07:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
It depends on the user. I generally receive requests via. email - and that's how I reply. If they request through UT, I'll reply via UT. Computerjoe's talk 07:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
OK --David.Mestel 07:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin coaching request

I'm not sure if I contacted you last time I was doing a list update or not. Anyway, you're coming near the top of the request list for admin coaching, and I was just checking if you were still interested in receiving it. If so just let me know and I'll assign you a couple of coaches (actually, if you reply quicker than the others I've contacted you'll probably be assigned me and Lar straight away :) Let me know either way, or if you have any questions. Cheers, Petros471 14:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Well I think Lar has some good 'admin reading' material lined up, which is probably just the thing you need. I suggest you set up a subpage (such as User:Computerjoe/Admin coaching) to co-ordinate efforts. See you over there :) Petros471 16:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Page created. Computerjoe's talk 17:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Great. I've posted a short intro on that page's talk. It's best to keep discussion about the coaching there as it makes life easier when three people are invovled, but if you need to attract our attention because the page has dropped off my 2000+ page watchlist just 'ping' me on my talk alerting me that there is something that needs my attention there. Petros471 17:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editor Review

Not quite sure I understand what you are saying. Abcdefghijklm 17:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, it's OK, I think I have sorted it now. Please let me know if I have made another mistake.Abcdefghijklm 18:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Abcdefghijklm 18:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

How would one go about answering the questions then, if it is not possible to edit the template Abcdefghijklm 19:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so I would go to Wikipedia:Editor_Review/Abcdefghijklm for example, and make my changes there?Abcdefghijklm 19:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


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Thanks for all of your help with this. I now feel more able to contribute to Wikipedia, and I award you the first ever barnstar I have given! Thanks! Abcdefghijklm 19:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] WP:ESP/UPA

Hello, Computerjoe. This is a quick message to remind you that all 5 finalists for the Esperanza User Page Award have been chosen. You now need to judge those 5 pages, awarding each one 1-10 points for attractiveness, usefulness, interesting-ness and general niceness. Refer to the Scores section at the project page if you are unsure of how to score.

Once you have scored the 5 pages, email Petros471 using the specified format. As soon as all the scores have been tallied, a winner will be announced. Thanks. May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 08:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bus Routes In Brentwood

Hi. I added this to a group nomination of similar articles not realising you had already nominated it earlier and the AFD notice had been removed from the page by an unhappy editor. Kind regards. Mrsteviec 16:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your mediation case: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-20 Crimean war

You've marked the case "Not all parties I willing to have mediation" - are you closing the case, and is it ready for archiving, or do you wish to wait and see if the unresponsive party is willing to respond? ~Kylu (u|t) 23:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

We'll give it a few more days. Computerjoe's talk 07:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! :D ~Kylu (u|t) 18:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] July is stocked with tips. Could you look them over please?

I've filled July with a selection of tips from the tip authoring page, revisions of previously posted tips, some brand new ones, and some combinations. If you would be so kind as to look them over before they hit the mainstream Wikipedia population, I'd really appreciate it. --Go for it! 17:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My ER

Hello Computerjoe,

I just wanted to thank you for your wonderful comments on my editor review. I was touched by your praise of my judgement and contribs. Cheers and thanks again!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91(review me!) 20:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] hello

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[edit] Re: Kenneth Montgomery Keillor vs JonnyChance



Hi Joe,

I posted the document below on the 'Mediation' page to reveal the true motives of JonnyChance for editing my article. I only include it hereinunder to clarify which article I'm referring to. As further evidence of the motives of JonnyChance, I offer you a quote from JonnyChance as posted today on the SHZine forum under the title 'Kenneth and wikipedia.org'.

Quote: hahahahaha unquote.


You can view it for yourself at the following link: http://shzine.proboards10.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1150126014&page=1

The paragraph produced by JonnyChance which is in question in the mediation is malicious, defamatory and blatantly biased and does not merit inclusion in the article.

Sincerely,

Kenneth Montgomery Keillor

Hereinunder is Kenneth Montgomery Keillor's response to 'JonnyChance', 'Fun 100' and 'Hygiene Boy'.
Without prejudice

An individual nicknamed JonnyChance who resides in Abbotsford, BC, Canada continually defaces this article about me with the following subtly malicious and derogatory drivel:

Quote: Keillor has gained notoreity in Abbotsford's music scene, most notably for his inclusive of members of many prominent musical groups (such as You Say Party! We Say Die!) on his "list," which is essentially a list of grievances, and for his posting on the SHZine Message Board[1]. Pop-Punk group Fun 100 references him in the song "Hygiene Boy" (sometimes referred to as "Kenneth"), specifically in lines such as "You're tired of these people / everybody's on your list. unquote.

I believe the individuals 'JonnyChance' aka Stephen Jersak is referring to as "members of many prominent musical groups" are Stu Hood and Jason Nicholas. When I mentioned them in my writings, I had no idea they were so-called 'musicians'. I just quoted an Abbotsford newspaper article which stated that the Abbotsford police had shut them down for disturbing their neighbors with loud, all-night parties billed as 'concerts' and for operating a suspected drug house. Since some so-called Abbotsford musicians calling themselves 'Fun 100' wrote, recorded and promoted a derogatory diatribe about me called 'Hygiene Boy', I have mentioned them in my writings as well. Stu Hood is the creator of SHZine forum. All of the persons referred to in this document have become aquainted with each other through said forum. Hood is a self-professed occultist who uses a music discussion forum to lure naive, unsuspecting youth into occult beliefs and an anti-Christ occultic lifestyle. Jason Nicholas professes to be a 'Christian'. I happened across Stu Hood's forum by accident and posted a brief invitation for any interested parties to contribute to the forum that I had just started. Go to www.thepunks.com/shzine.html to read the entire dialog that ensued.

'Jonny' makes reference to my 'notoriety'. I have gained notoriety pertinent to my music for being a singer, stage performer, recording artist and the composer of over 300 songs. I have gained further notoriety for adopting the following position pertinent to Abbotsford, BC, Canada as revealed in an email to someone from Abbotsford who recently wanted me to join their band:

"Hi. I live in Abbotsford and thought I should be considerate enough to reply to your email. I am a rock singer/songwriter and rhythm guitarist. Your project sounds interesting and like something I would normally be enthusiastic about participating in. Unfortunately, I have encountered, and been abused by, so much slime in Abby that I have decided not to perform my music here. In addition, I have met enough arrogant idiots who fancy themselves musical artists, and more than enough sleazy party filth, to cause me to lose interest in musicians, music shows or anything else pertaining to music, or parties, in Abbotsford. Nothing personal".

Lyrics to 'Hygiene Boy' (with comments by Kenneth Montgomery Keillor in brackets.)

you're tired of these people
(I've never had any stomach for scum and I make no bones about it)
everybody's on your list
(Only people I don't respect are on 'The List')
it's time you got your act together take control of it
(I'm a Christian who believes in Jesus and who has repented of his sins. In terms of having my act together and taking control of it, I'd rather be in my boots than yours)
to run from the country could be a better plan
(Sorry, I'm not the 'runnin' kind)
but the problem is this what you just don't understand
(Like I should ever worry about what you think I don't understand)
you're tired of the parties and you're tired of the streets
you're tired of the shows and you're tired of the scene
you say that you want out you say you gotta leave
but the only problem is that it's not easy 'cause you
(It's true that I'm tired of this world and the sleazy filth that it is full of and that I'm not into your 'scene'. Even though certain individuals make Abbotsford smell bad, I've never suggested I was prepared to leave for their sake.
 Time for a scripture quote: John 15:19: "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - Jesus Christ)
can't run, run from the country when you don't do your laundry
(I'd be willing to bet I do my laundry more often than you)
bask in, bask in the glory
(I say "All glory to the Lord Jesus Christ")
of your own small-town story
(I'm more of a world citizen and more knowledgeable about this world than the whole bunch of you ever will be.)
do what, do what you oughta do what, do what you gotta
but don't tell me that you didn't get no warning
(I got the only warning that matters. It's in the Bible. You might want to check it out.)
na na na-na na na-na
(Are you sure you don't mean 'wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah'?)

(repeat)

can't run, run from the country when you don't do your laundry
bask in, bask in the glory of your own small-town story
do what, do what you gotta do what, do what you oughta
but don't tell me that you didn't get no warning

i take a bus i know my route i pick up change and i buy food!
i plug myself into a block of cheese oh, i envy you
(It's not that I don't like buses, but I've never taken a ride on an Abbotsford bus. I'd bet you all have.)
What is really 'cheesy' is your all too obvious attempt to defame me.
(In spite of yourselves, I still hope you find Jesus and get saved.)

Hygiene Boy« Last Edit: Mar 24, 2005, 8:26pm by jonny hughes »(yet another SHZine adherent).

Fun 100
Some and possibly all of the following Abbotsford individuals have been actively involved with promotion of the defamatory composition 'Hygiene Boy':
Bruce Dyck - drums
Steve Matheson - bass like guitar
Marc Boucher - whining/synths/back up vocals
Ryan Dyck - lead vocals/keyboards
Adam Fothergill - guitar
Nathan Rothenburger - Bass
Robin Price - Guitar
Mark Jaholkowski - Bass

Galations 6:7: "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
This scripture is extremely bad news for many individuals in Abby.

While writing this document, I have made a sincere effort to be truthful, accurate and polite.

Kenneth Montgomery Keillor

[edit] Yoink!

Nicely organized userpage. Mind if I use the design? :) --DarkAudit 21:45, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Computerjoe's talk 09:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Pride Rock AFD

Hi, thanks for taking care of the article Pride Rock and its screenshot. I appreciate your time and effort regarding this article. Cheers. --Starionwolf 03:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Regarding the article User:Timecop/The war on blogs, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "This page is IMO an attack (B.U.T.F.U.Q.) and perhaps WP:POINT", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because CSD:A6 (attack pages) only currently applies in article namespace. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:MFD process. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 21:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Cleanup Taskforce

I added 2 articles to your desk. I did some work on Directory Opus, if you can see how to improve OK, otherwise we can close it. WiMAX looks more technically challenging. Please look at them and either accept them or let me know and I'll reassign them. RJFJR 22:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Thank you

Thank you!

Thank you, Computer Joe, for your support in my RfA. I appreciate your trust and support, and I will do my best to further help this great encyclopædia and community of ours. If there is anything that you feel I can do to help, please let me know. -- Avi 01:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Automating stuff

I've got the status item working, but only when I go in and manually edit the /Status page. Is there a way to automate this? --DarkAudit 21:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Computerjoe's talk 07:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Question

Hi Joe. I have a question (though not about Vandalproof)- do you know why I am not able to see how many edits I have at this time?QuizQuick 21:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Currently the toolserver isn't working, so we are all using this script. Computerjoe's talk 07:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)