Template talk:Comicsproj

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[edit] Inclusion of frequently edited to-do list in mass-included template

See here for a comment on some issues pertaining to how this template's being used. Alai 04:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editor-friendly

I would like to edit this to make it look less a block of text, and more a very short summary/directory of resources avaible to interested editors. --Chris Griswold 18:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Propose your edit here in final form. The template is transcluded across so many articles it should be edited rarely, and not tweaked to get it looking right. Hiding Talk 19:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Balloon image

Perhaps it's just me, but it appears that the image overlaps the text (and does so on every talk page that this is on). Can someone fix it (since it's protected)? - jc37 22:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I was just about to say that, I'll post a {{helpme}} tag here and see if that works. Cbrown1023 00:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
It appears to be due to Internet Explorer's buggy handling of floated elements. I've fixed it, it works for me in Firefox and Internet Explorer. Cheers, Tangotango 08:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Nice job, thanks : ) - jc37 17:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal

We may want to get rid of the portal image; that might reduce the size quite a bit. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 17:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Yeah. There's a trick other banners for in hiding stuff, that it's been suggested is implemented, see {{ME-project}}. I'm also thinking of amending the line "This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. If you are a member of the project, please rate the article and then leave comments here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article." to "This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. Project members should rate the article, leaving comments here explaining the rating." I'm also thinking of adding a future tag that will place articles in Category:Discussion of future comics. So I'm thinking get it all done in one hit, given there's concerns about the number of articles this is transcluded across and the strain on the servers editing it causes. Any thoughts? Hiding Talk 17:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Some of the other text can stand tweaking too. I'll have a further mock up. Hiding Talk 17:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template creating whitespace

This template creates a huge whitespace here, I don't know what exactly causes it tho. Someone who knows how these templates work should have a look into this. --Conti|✉ 02:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not clear whether it's the fault of this template or the one below it on that page, it doesn't happen on every page so there's a clash somewhere. I'll keep looking at it though. Hiding Talk 16:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks! --Conti|✉ 16:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
      • It's definitely something here, so I'll keep trying to pin it down. I've assembled code from everywhere, so I'm going to have to start again. It may take some time. Hiding Talk 20:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Right, I think I have it sorted but it'll take a while for the servers to propagate the changes across the articles, so I can't see it yet. It works in a mock up in my user space, put it that way. Hiding Talk 21:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Seems to work. Good job! :) --Conti|✉ 21:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CFD: Protected edit request

Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 12, Category:Wikipedia comics articles needing their fiction made clear needs to change to Category:Comics articles that need to differentiate between fact and fiction. Can someone with sysop rights please update this template accordingly. Thanks! Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, it's done. -- Prove It (talk) 13:27, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Then I will resolve this: {{tl:EditProtected}} CMummert · talk 13:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nested Functionality

{{editprotected}} To enable compatibility with {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, please replace this line:

{| class="{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|messagebox small-talk|messagebox standard-talk}} {{#ifeq:{{{hide|}}}|yes|collapsible collapsed}}"

With these lines:

{| class="{{#ifeq:{{{nested|}}}|yes|collapsible collapsed messagebox nested-talk|{{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|messagebox small-talk|messagebox standard-talk}}}}"
|-
{{#ifeq:{{{nested|}}}|yes|
! colspan="2" style="text-align: center" {{!}} [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics|WikiProject Comics]] {{#if:{{{class|}}}|     (Rated {{{class}}}-Class)}}
}}

Thank you. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 05:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Y Done Harryboyles 09:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blemish

It seems an unintentional quote mark (or 2 apostrophes) snuck in above the frame on that last edit, which surely can't have been intentional. Looks bad at any rate. MURGH disc. 13:45, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I see that. I think it was introduced when he tried to combine the code for the "hide" and "nested" functionality. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 13:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Y Done - Alison☺ 05:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Change

Can, in the nested template, the importance be shown instead of the class. When you look at e.g. Talk:Halo Graphic Novel, you see four times that it is a GA, which is quite redundant. It would be more informative if we knew at a glance that it was of mid importance to the comicsproject, in my opinion. Fram 10:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Since no response is coming, I'll try this myself, to see if I can show both or else only the importance. Fram 11:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Work group functionality

Functionality has been added to support the new comics work groups, but there may be bugs I haven't as yet anticipated. A few category names have changed, but that is intentional, it brings them into line with convention. Other than that, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hiding Talk 14:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the layout changes that come with the new functionality look good, but I think I spotted a leftover:
  • Under the expanded Editing guidelines, the line says Please remember these guidelines when editing a film article: and
  • Create an Infobox that tells all pertinent information about the film.
I was also wondering if maybe there was an oportunity to squeeze in a small Comics portal link icon, like many other project banners do. Perhaps on the upper right in opposite symmetry to the speech balloon..? MURGH disc. 19:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll sort that asap. Hiding Talk 16:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Jc already beat me to it. Hiding Talk 15:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice work, but isn't the banner rather huge now? The bottom two lines (editing guidelines and certainly the additional info) will probably be very rarely used, but take up a lot of screen space. Similarly, I fail to see why the previous single line with class and importance wasn't sufficient (and IMO nicer). I notice that the template is virtually the same as that of the Film project, but then again, that one has the same problems. I think that a three or four line banner should be the max, otherwise they really start to become obnoxious when there are a few of them. Fram 15:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, it was easier to edit the film one to achieve the functionality than add it to our old version, and also that seems to be the standard look for them. The single line should still work when the tag nested=yes is added, for example when inside {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, if I'm reading you right. A number of people seemed to indicate they liked the look of the film banner, so I didn't really see any issue with copying it. Hiding Talk 16:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes, the nested function works well, and the rest is just my opinion, not anything that 'has' to be changed. It doesn't bother me that much, just wanted to raise it here to see what other people felt. Fram 19:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'll mock up a version based on the old styling in a sandbox and maybe we can see which one polls best, even though polls are evil. I'm not 100% behind this one myself. Hiding Talk 15:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ugh. I can't seem to work out how to mock up a version based on the old one right now. I could comment out the editing guidance if that would help? Hiding Talk 16:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
AHA. Have a look at User:Hiding/X6 and see if that's a little better? Hiding Talk 20:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Much better, thanks! Fram 20:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I've pasted that one across, we'll see how that goes down. Hiding Talk 21:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template change reactions

Well, if we're gathering our reactions now I'll voice in. I quite liked the "previous new" look, and think the same slimming done by omitting the "Editing Guidelines" line would have worked nicely for that one too. But by all means, this old-new is fine. Any interest in activating the left hand phylactère image to link to the Comics portal instead of Speech_balloon.svg? MURGH disc. 21:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

  • How about like that? Hiding Talk 23:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Right, I guess portal links are obliged to use the jigsaw icon. Cool, we're up to snuff. MURGH disc. 00:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Did you have another image of similar size in mind? Hiding Talk 14:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a thought about using one of WP's speech bubbles. I really didn't mean to nitpick, and there's something to say for staying within the confines of encyclopedic conformity. We don't want to dazzle or steal anyone's thunder, eh? MURGH disc. 15:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Resolved. see below
I notice the link to the talk page has gone - |I've always found it handy as if there is some concern that needs raising the link is always there at the top of the page. (Emperor 18:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
Space constraints. To kjeep it as small as possible I removed it to keep the message to three lines. I can rewrite and drop the noticeboard link if people prefer, as below, or someone can come up with something better.
Thoughts? Hiding Talk —Preceding comment was added at 10:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Tricky. The only thing I can think of is that the talk page has a header that leads to the notice board while none of the links there offer an obvious link through to the talk page (although clearly they are there). Bottom line is - I don't know. (Emperor 17:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC))
I also think it needs an obvious link to the talk page. Otherwise, no real problems leap out at me. Doczilla 18:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, this needs doing too. Hiding T 21:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I have tweaked the wording so there is a link to the project talk page. Hiding T 14:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seems to mess up the category name

Resolved. see below

What I mean is that before, when you looked at Category:Top-importance Comics articles, most where ordered by the article name, not under the T of Talk. Now, more and more articles are listed under the T, which makes it harder to swiftly look through them. I think (but have no evidence) it has to do withj the workgroup template addition. Can anhyone confirm this and/or solve this? Fram 16:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

  • The {{PAGENAME}} sort was missing off the categorisation. Should work now. Hiding Talk 16:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • It may take time to filter through. Hiding Talk 16:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Still no change for me... Fram 20:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Give it another couple of days, otherwise it'll be a case of putting the old categorising code back in. Hiding Talk 11:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
No problem, things still work so there's no hurry. Fram 19:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Damn, I will get to this soon, too. Hiding T 21:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I think I cracked this I had the PAGENAME variable in the wrong place. Sorry it took so long. Hiding T 14:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Parameter problems

Some of the parameters are not working the way that they used to. I didn't notice any mention of this here on the talk page, so I'm assuming that this is not by design. Specifically, the parameters "fiction", "image", and "cleanup" used to each add an extra line to the template explaining what could be done to improve the article. As near as I can tell, these don't work currently. The fiction parameter might not be that important; I prefer using the {{in-universe}} template in articlespace as I think it gets more people's attention. However, I think that the cleanup and image parameters serve (or, at least, should serve) an important function. Is this problem local to me or are others experiencing it as well? --GentlemanGhost 21:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

  • It should show up if you click the show link. It's right at the bottom. It might be that the text needs to be moved about. I'll try and workshop that at some point. Hiding T 21:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Well that was an easy fix. :) Somehow, I missed it. Thanks! --GentlemanGhost 23:26, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cat class

Resolved.

When an article is assigned "Cat" class, clicking on the the word "Cat" within the template sends you to Category:Cat-Class Comics articles when it ought to go to Category:Category-Class Comics articles. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah. That's an error in, um, {{Cat-Class}} that I have, as yet, been unable to crack. Hiding T 19:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I think I have this figured now. Hiding T 14:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • No I don't. I get the link working but then the categorisation doesn't. This might need a complete rewrite. Hiding T 14:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
    • This one is bugging me. Hiding T 14:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
      • I've put a hack in until I figure this out. I think I might be nearer a better solution but I'm not sure. Hiding T 14:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
        • I'm fairly sure I've cracked it. Hiding T 16:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Damn, nearly. Hiding T 16:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
            • Nailed it. Hiding T 12:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missing punctuation

Resolved. done

The template doesn't add a period after "See comments". :) --GentlemanGhost (talk) 05:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notice board

{{editprotected}} Currently clicking on "notice board" will link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice Board which is no longer the current notice board page; rather, the page should link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice board. This has created some ongoing difficulty to provide information to the appropriate notice board, (at least for me personally). Thanks! -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC).

Y Done Mr.Z-man 03:45, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Importance or quality scale?

{{editprotected}} The template appears to have an error in it:

{{!}} {{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|Importance:'''{{{importance}}}-importance'''|This article has been [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment|rated]] as {{Comics/Importance|{{{importance}}}}}-importance on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment#Quality scale|quality scale]]. }}

should probably be

{{!}} {{#ifeq:{{{small|}}}|yes|Importance:'''{{{importance}}}-importance'''|This article has been [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment|rated]] as {{Comics/Importance|{{{importance}}}}}-importance on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Assessment#Importance scale|importance scale]]. }}

Hope that can be sorted. GDallimore (Talk) 11:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Y Done. Jon513 (talk) 14:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] B Class checklist

{{editprotected}}

There's an error in the template that it is looking for B-Class criteria confirmation when it is rated GA status. At least, I presume that's an error.

I haven't quite worked out all the details for this part of the template yet but think the fault lies with the switch at the beginning of the b-class checklist section.

{{!}}- <!--B-Class checklist--> {{#switch:{{Comics/Class|{{{class|}}}}}|FA|A|NA|Disambig|Redirect|Category|Future|List|Image|Portal|Needed|Current|FL|Template=|#default=

should have an extra switch for GA added, so

{{!}}- <!--B-Class checklist--> {{#switch:{{Comics/Class|{{{class|}}}}}|FA|GA|A|NA|Disambig|Redirect|Category|Future|List|Image|Portal|Needed|Current|FL|Template=|#default=

Hope I'm right on this. You can check the end result at Talk:Thrud the Barbarian which is GA rated. GDallimore (Talk) 14:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Seems to work. --- RockMFR 23:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm going to now make the same request over on Template talk:Film should anyone be interested in following this and commenting where necessary... :) GDallimore (Talk) 09:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
That's not really an error. The GA class and the B-Class are from different scales. GA articles aren't automatically assumed to have met the B-Class criteria. Hiding T 10:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I would say that if an article fails to make B-Class it should never be rated GA. The list of things to check in the article is pretty much a subset of Wikipedia:Good article criteria and looks to be a way of improving B-Class articles to GA or A quality, not a list of requirements necessary to meet B-Class. In any event, if there wasn't an error in the template, there was an error in the documentation which says that the B-Class checklist is "available only for articles rated as "Stub-Class", "Start-Class", or "B-Class"". GDallimore (Talk) 15:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
It's still not an error because they are somewhat seperate scales. Having written the template and understanding the concepts we are discussing here, I know what I'm talking about. It's incorrect to call it an error. You don't agree with the way it was, and that's fine. But it isn't an error. Hiding T 03:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)