Talk:Communist Youth League of China

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Indoctrination? Surely that's a tad biased? Dafyddyoung 14:54, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It is a 100% exact and non-offensive, non-partisan term, see dictionary. This exactly was the stated purpose of education in all communist countries, not an invention of their critics. Mikkalai 00:27, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I very much doubt that indoctrination was a stated goal. Education, maybe. I've never heard a Communist call their theoretical basis a doctrine. As a card-carrying member of a Communist Youth League, I find it highly offensive as I am neither in the process of being indoctrinated nor indoctrinated as a result of my membership. Dafyddyoung 23:24, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Here is a rule of thumb: if a "theoretical basis" calls other other people's "theoretical basises" false or bad or whatever, then it is "doctrine". By the way, the term doctrine is not offensive per se. "Education" means make a person know things. "Indoctrination" means make a person have certain opinions. Indoctrination is everywhere, in every country. When in United States a small child at school has to recite Pledge of Allegiance regularly, even though he/she even doesn't understand its meaning it is nothing but indoctrination. Are you sure you don't have anything similar in China (I guess you are form China)?
At the same time, I have to agree that the whole sentense are indoctrinated, trained, and prepared to serve as future party regulars is a bit over board, especially in the introduction. In particular, will all CYL members be "party regulars"?
Actually, I'm with Young Communist League (Britain), so I'm not in a country where the CP is in power (although give us time...). I suppose that "indoctrination" is probably the correct word when stripped of its negative connotations, and it's the connotations I have the problem with. The implication is that we're being trained to be single-minded, perhaps even to the extent of cultism. We're not told that a Marxist outlook on the world is correct, we learn that it is correct, and I don't think that this article conveys the educative concepts involved. Dafyddyoung 15:46, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article is about the Chinese league, which is hardly compararable with the British one. The British article says nothing about indoctrination, so relax. On the other hand, the whole history of China in last 50 years makes it to believe that "indoctrination" is a proper word. If it is reformed in last 10 years, this would be a notable development, worth of mentioning in the article, but I know nothing about this. Mikkalai 18:41, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Indoctrination? Surely this exists everywhere. I remember those Christan study/Bible study groups aimed at foreign students. As well as Sunday schools in the Church. When those people critize communism and their organizations, why not consider all these Christian or other religious organizations/groups everywhere in the world... lol Augest 05:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Just consider the number of CCP members and CYL members, surely not all CYL members became CCP members... Augest 05:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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  — Instantnood 04:05, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Correction

It was Chen Yun, not Deng Xiaoping, who led the effort to remove Hu Yaobang from office. See Victor Shih's Faction and Finance in China. DOR (HK) (talk) 09:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)