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[edit] PROD contested

I have removed the PROD. Comedy rap is not a neologism and it is notable. See for example, this Google News search on the term [1] Please do not nominate articles for speedy deletion or PROD without first doing research YOURSELF to see if the term exists and is noteworthy. Better yet, improve the article instead of slapping banners on it. These 'drive by' deletion proposals are not at all helpful to Wikipedia. Thanks. Voceditenore (talk) 12:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure how this page meets WP:NOTABILITY. --SharkfaceT/C 04:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Here's the core definition of notability as per WP:NOTABILITY: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable." In this case we're dealing with the notability of a music genre, e.g. [2]. As such, comedy rap is discussed and defined in the following books listed here [3]:
  1. All Music Guide to Hip-hop: The Definitive Guide to Rap and Hip-Hop by Vladimir Bogdanov, Backbeat Books, 2003, page vii.
  2. Cultural Resistance Reader by Stephen Duncombe, Verso, 2002, page 150.
  3. Gettin' Our Groove on: Rhetoric, Language, and Literacy for the Hip Hop Generation by Kermit Ernest Campbell, Wayne State University Press, 2005, page 54.
It is also discussed along with some of its key performers in many of the articles to be found in the link to the results of a Google News search in my previous comment. Just two examples:
  1. "Comedy rap group plan to meet their public", Liverpool Daily Post (England), September 22, 2004.
  2. "Seattle's Grayskul, Guests, Get Chop Suey Hoppin" by Ross Simonini, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, November 19, 2007.
(See also the Wikipedia article on Hungarian hip hop.)
The current article is rather poorly written and needs proper references rather than links to commercial sites, but that's a separate issue from the topic's notability and is repairable if Wikipedia editors in this area take an interest in it. I'm not one of them. ;-) Opera and classical music are my area of expertise, but I just wanted to demonstrate that with a minimum of effort, even an 'outsider' like me can easily find sources to establish notability. Editors involved in this article might also find it helpful to get a 'second opinion' from Wikipedia:WikiProject Music. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for clarifying that. Yes, this topic does indeed appear to be notable. Better still, those sources could be added as references now. --SharkfaceT/C 20:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Derivatives.

Who put Hip hop music in the derivatives...? 61x62x61 (talk) 19:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

It was the article's creator Nothing444. I don't know much about the genre, but the current derivatives seem quite wrong to me. Certainly Parody music is not a derivative form either. (It's the other way around.) The original editor seems to have completely misunderstood the meaning of 'derivative forms'. I'd say go ahead and change it, or better yet, leave that field in the infobox blank. Voceditenore (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2008 (UTC)