Talk:Combat Organization of the Polish Socialist Party

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An entry from Combat Organization of the Polish Socialist Party appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 18 November 2006.

Contents 1 Name of the Organizacja Bojowa PPS article 1.1 You should not rename the Organizacja Bojowa PPS article 1.2 You should rename the Organizacja Bojowa PPS article 2 "the number of casualties declined..."

[edit] Name of the Organizacja Bojowa PPS article

[edit] You should not rename the Organizacja Bojowa PPS article

There are four other articles with Organizacja Bojowa in them. See Organizacja Bojowa articles in Polish and Organizacja Bojowa. In addition, Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa is known as both Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa and ZOB in the English-speaking world. Organizacja Bojowa PPS is less confusing than Żydowska Organizacja Bojowa. Why can't Organizacja Bojowa PPS be known as Organizacja Bojowa PPS and (OBPPS) or (OB PPS) in the English-speaking world? By renaming Organizacja Bojowa PPS, you are saying that English speakers would be confused over the PPS portion and if you rename Organizacja Bojowa PPS, you will need to rename all the articles at Organizacja Bojowa.-- Jreferee 15:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You should rename the Organizacja Bojowa PPS article

• Should be moved to Combat Organization of Polish Socialist Party. Why should the anglophone readers be forced upon with the foreign words? --Irpen 05:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought about this, but there is no common English name. For example: there is 1 source for Fighting Organisation + Pilsudski and 1 for Combat Organization + Pilsudski. Here, search for PPS instead Pilsudski: another one for Fighting Organization, and three for Combat Organization. I will not oppose the move as I agree that we should use English name if possible, but I think that we could use more discussion on the name first.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• I see no reason to overload the readers with unreadable to them text. Ukrayins’ka Povstans’ka Armia, Orhanizatsiya Ukrayins’kykh Natsionalistiv, etc. are called by anglicized name. Those interested in Polish words can use a dictionary or click on the interwiki. Such Polonocentric naming is an unncecessary annoyance. --Irpen 18:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Setting aside your uncivil accusations of Polonicentrism, as I wrote above, if you are sure that Combat organization is the correct name (i.e. better than Fighting Organization, Combat Teams or whatever) - move the article yourself. I am currently undecided which of the English names is the best one, although certainly any would be better than the current Polish one.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  19:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Combat Organization sounds the best to my ears (Organizacja looks closer to Organization than Teams, although that could be a false friend, and "fighting" has a suggestion of protest rather than pure combat). You can always create redirects for the others, as I doubt there will be much competition for the other titles. Can't stop, I'm off to deal with the rampant Polonicentrism that is sweeping through Wikipedia. Yomangani^talk 15:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

All right, i agree that this is the best translation - moved.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't speak Polish but I'm adding a "the". Art LaPella 02:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Polonocentric? Polonicentrism? I'll take Organizacja Bojowa PPS any day over such talkfancycentric use, especially if Wiktionary has yet to recognize these -centric terms.-- Jreferee 18:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• If you decide to rename the article, you should not take your task so lightly. Organizacja Bojowa PPS did great things and are they now supposed be forced to take on an English name that will be presented to the entire English speaking world only after a quick Internet search and agreement by a few Wikipedia editors on the English translation? OBPPS deserves more respect than that. Before changing this organization's name, you may want to review Wikipedia:Naming conventions and Help:Page name. Also, you may want read the talk page on this article to understand why no consensus formed regarding Polish monarchs: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Polish rulers) - Rejected guideline. In addition, you should visit an actual large city library to confirm that "Organizacja Bojowa PPS" is in fact not how English speakers refer to this organization. And, if you have not done so, you may want to check out The Organizacja Bojowa article in Polish -- Jreferee 15:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "the number of casualties declined..."

Paragraph 2 of this article's "History" section states that "In 1906 alone, the 800-strong Bojówki... killed 336 Russian officials; the number of casualties declined in the coming years..." Whose casualties are meant here – Russian or Polish? "Casualties" seems a strange word to use, if it is meant to refer to the Russians thus killed. If it refers to Polish casualties, there was no number given for those earlier. Nihil novi (talk) 03:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)