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F**k the Falun Gong

In the above heading ** stands for "or", "Fork" being a traditional term of endearment used in many native cultures of the Mariana Trench

But seriously, I've had it up to here with Falun Gong stooges trying to masquerade as good faith editors.

"But your information is totally POV!" "Oh, no, thats because of the source material! I'm just retarded and couldn't see that the source material was POV!"

"But your claims are unverifiable!" "Oh, yes, they are, Clear Wisdom Net and the Epoch Times, being the bastions of objective journalism that they are, verify these!"

"But the Communists can't possibly execute 200,000,000 Falun Gong members..." "Of course they can! Epoch Times says so! And anyway you're a Communist stooge!"

"But Li Hongzhi is a homophobic racist lunatic... look at his speeches!" "No, your interpretation of his words are WRONG! When he said he hated gays, he meant he didn't like happy people. When he said he hated blacks, he meant he hated black pieces in Chess..." --Sumple (Talk) 08:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Suppression of FG page

Hi, the following sentence is kind of awkward. “Falun Gong practitioners have claimed that the Zhongnanhai protest, the event that triggered the response from the Chinese government, was their response to government suppression.” First of all, many people do not know what the Zhongnanhai protest is and when it happened, hence I restored the paragraph that explains it. If this event is covered later in the article then it is that section needs to be removed. Secondly, note the italic part of the sentence above, can Wikipedia say that this event triggered response (ban) from the Chinese government? I don’t think we know enough to say that. --Samuel Luo 23:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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A new approach to the Falun Gong article

Hello Colipon, please see the Falun Gong talk page and state your opinion about my proposal concerning a strict source policy. I think it's worth serious consideration. You know that the situation is tense, so we really need to find a common set of rules that is absolutely fair to all parties. In my opinion, the three-strike rule requires too much devotion to Wikipedia, and thus discriminates against a large group of editors. ---Olaf Stephanos 21:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

SEZs

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:SEZ&diff=104756759&oldid=103785732 The first four SEZs are not, even until present day, not co-exist with the city limits. Passer-by 20:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

UCFD

I have nominated a category you created, Category:Wikipedians who dislike Harry Potter, for deletion. You can contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion. Thanks, VegaDark 21:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Contact?

  • Hi Gordie. Appreciate your comments on my bio page; you understand the situation well. Three days to read; four years to write! How do I give you my email without releasing it to the entire world? Or how do I get yours? I'm not experienced in Wiki Ways. Are you still in Shanxi? I was in Taiyuan several months ago, may be back later this year.
  • Found your email and sent stuff.

Hi Colipon, I'm pretty impressed by your editing and wanted to ask you some friendly questions about a few of your posts that is related to my own research. Would you mind writing me an e-mail, so we can chat? My address is researchfg[at-sign]gmail[dot]com.LinLang 23:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

CCP

I see your continued diligence in updating the number of people who have quit the CCP, and I think you are doing a great job. I would like to ask, would you like me to submit a renunciation of the CCP on your behalf? I know you are no longer a member, but I understand that you did not voluntarily renounce your membership. Let me know, and I can submit this for you. I think it would be a great idea!--Asdfg12345 12:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Falun Gong is crazy. More crazy than the CCP. Colipon+(T) 23:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Meditating and reading some books is crazier than snatching people's organs and incinerating their bodies? If you understand these important questions of conscience then you should make your stand and stop taking it so lightly. Of course, there are those who do not bat an eyelid when it comes to these things. I know the epoch times only reports bad things about China, but read this: Is the Human Heart Numbed or Warped?. I think unfortunately for many, the spark of goodness and justice that was once in their hearts has become extinct, and there is no more conscience left. If you still have these good thoughts, then why don't you make a stand on this? It is so simple. --Asdfg12345 00:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

okay okay. I submit to Master Li's teachings. The Epoch Times is right about everything. CCP government is cruel and terrible, they should be rid of by Buddha law. Now please stop coming to my user page and attempt to change my political beliefs and try to make me "quit the CCP" on the Epoch times website even though I never said I was a member of the CCP to begin with. Colipon+(T) 02:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sarcasm and insincerity are out of place here. You did tell me that you were a member and that later they revoked your membership. Nor is this is about political beliefs. It is about your conscience and how you want to exist. And I am not trying to "make" you do anything. Your choices are your own, and you will be responsible for every choice you have made.--Asdfg12345 19:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Whatever you say. Colipon+(T) 00:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

lol. Asdfg12345, would you like me to call the psychiatric hopsital on your behalf? Because although you didn't say you are a lunatic, you did not openly renounce your Falun Gong membership. --Sumple (Talk) 01:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Colipon, how about giving a statement in a case the FGers brought against Samuel (basically saying he broke Wiki rules, but really cuz he's saying FG isn't perfect). Since you are third-party, your input could be valuable in not giving the ArbCom a distorted picture of reality! (ArbCom evidence link - [1] ). Jsw663 18:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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DYK

Updated DYK query On 29 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mao Anqing, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 23:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Juche Entry

Dear Colipon,

I am a contributor to the Wikipedia Juche ideology article. Please feel free to join the discussion at the Talk:Juche page regarding your recent changes and inclusions to the entry.

Sincerely, Samuel kozulin 16:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

China naming conventions

I have replied to your comments on my proposed list of changes. Note that that section has been moved to a subpage so it may not show up on your watchlist. --Ideogram 21:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Kim Il-sung, Asian Cultures Statement

Hi Gordie, you recently removed a "citation needed" tag from the statement in bold in the Kim Il-sung article.

There are roughly 800 statues of Kim Il-sung in North Korea and there are more places named after him than any other communist leader (a practice that is not common in Eastern Asian cultures).

When you removed the tag, you commented,

citations?! Give me a few examples of asian places named after leaders.

While I agree that this statement is probably correct since it is hard for me to name places in Eastern Asia that are named after leaders, I don't think that proves your point to the end that the statement doesn't need a citation. If an article contains a statement that is so obvious to all readers that it doesn't need a citation, then it adds nothing to the article and should be removed. But if you argue that the statement isn't quite that obvious, then to accept it we'd have to prove two underlying assumptions:

  • The assumption that readers are familiar with most of the names of past and present Eastern Asian leaders.
  • The assumption that readers are familiar with most of the place names in Eastern Asian.

If these two assumptions are true, then I agree: since I can't name many place names that coincide with East Asian leaders, then there must not be any. But I submit to you that I neither know most of the names of East Asian leaders nor do I know many East Asian place names, therefore, it could be that there are plenty of East Asian place names named for revered leaders, I'm just not knowledgable to name any, and that it doesn't logically follow that the lack of an answer from me (or any other contributor, for that matter) exclusively leads to the conclusion that such a naming practice is rare.

Overall, I think your statement is a fascinating observation, and given the background in your user page, you are clearly in a position to make it from your personal experience. But for the benefit of readers without your background knowledge this statement needs to be backed up by a verifiable source. So I propose that we put the tag back and work together on finding some published work that verifies it.

— Ke6jjj 17:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

On the Falun Gong quote on your userpage

"Why doesn't Falun Gong just let Buddha Law take care of the CCP?..."

And why do you think that Falun Dafa practitioners do not do exactly that :)? Don't build your opinion on some small mistakes made by a few people. First, it's no good for you for obvious reasons (believing that a mistake a practitioner once did represents Falun Gong is as good as believing blindly the CCP propaganda) - you are going to build your opinion on false information. Get to know things for yourself, don't just search for some bad side a practitioner is showing. There are countless examples of excellent social behaviour (in real life) and good faith (on Wikipedia) of Falun Dafa disciples. They will correct their behaviour without much emotions from your side, all you need to say is a few words.

That's regarding your opinion on the matter. Of course, Falun Gong practitioners would have nothing against criticism, just don't get embroiled in things yourself :). That's just what I think on the subject. Emanuil Tolev 08:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, as you wish :). Emanuil Tolev 08:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC) Just a reminder that came to my mind - sometimes we all think we have our deep reasons and beliefs, only to find one day that their grounds were just a momentary and passing, delusive thought, despite our clinging to it (happened to me). No demand for response or whatever, and hope you don't mind the additional edit in the page history ;). Emanuil Tolev 12:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

Your Harry Potter userbox is most excellent. I may copy it... Regards, --Fire Star 火星 02:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, if Wikipedia in general wants to keep the FLG cycle of articles neutral, they are going to have to work it out with the true believers. I'll look in now and then, and tag things as needed, but the fuzzy-minded banality wore me out. They just keep saying the same things over and over and over and over..., so what is there to discuss? I flatter myself that I know something about qigong, that I know about Buddhism and Taoism. What I don't see is any evidence that Li or any of his followers do. I've read his lectures, Li will save you as long as you do everything for him 24/7. But there is no mechanism, I see no evidence of tolerance, compassion or forbearance from these people. They cut off the heads of their enemies (figuratively, at least) to make themselves taller. I see a new age cult repeating the same magic spells over and over hoping they will come true. Ah well, enough venting. Cheers! --Fire Star 火星 02:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

We believe what we are doing is correct and righteous, and the intention behind it is good. I have only good things in my heart from all this. When I hand out papers and fliers to Chinese people, and talk to people about Dafa, I actually think I am genuinely doing a good thing. That is to say, after practicing Dafa, I myself feel that I am living a different life than I was. I feel that I am consciously making decisions about my own life, and that I am taking moral choices and suffering consciously. I don't drink, do drugs, or indulge in lust anymore. I do not live for pleasure and personal interests, as I did a few years ago. I look inside myself when finding myself in conflict and really try to do better, and speak kinder with more pure intentions. How should we judge other people? I just judge them on whether or not what they think they are doing is correct. If you one is not straying from his own conscience and moral code, what more can be expected? I have never exhorted anyone to believe Falun Dafa is the true Fa, or tried to make anyone come and practice Dafa. Practicing Dafa is just a choice of own's own heart, and everything Dafa disciples are doing comes from their own heart. Of course, I can understand both of your perspectives. To you, much of what Li Hongzhi says is complete nonsense, and people must be dumb to believe it. I want to say though, that there are a few things which are clear: no one is forcing anyone else to do anything, no one is profiting in a material way, no one is being hurt, and a good proportion of what is in the books, aside from the things that are incomprehensible, are actually saying that you need to be a good person and live with a high personal standard. I have read Spinoza, Plato, Gurdjieff and a bunch of other stuff. I see the same themes being repeated here. I am not a really stupid or ignorant person. The question of the good life is a serious question, and I am practicing Dafa from this perspective. I genuinely think it is good and I have experienced its effects. I think it is quite natural that many people would reject much of the content of the lectures, but I don't see any rational grounds for opposing Falun Dafa. It is completely harmless, and the people doing it don't want to do anything bad. The police in my city, when there are protests and things, refer to practitioners as "fluffy ducks." There is nothing in here that is bad for people, and everyone is acting according to their own will and understanding. Is this the same nonsense over and over again, or can you sense my sincerity in telling you this? One ought to consider the situation objectively and really assess it.--Asdfg12345 01:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Huang Ju

I see that you took issue with me having removed some Chinese external links. They were removed for two main reasons: 1/ the article is sufficiently supported by references and obituaries in Chinese and English that I felt two other obits were not necessary. 2/ both were in Chinese, and thus "inaccessible to a substantial number of users". I did not see that the links included any significant pieces of info not already in the main article, but if I missed anything, it could be put in and the link made into a reference, and not left hanging as an EL. In recap of WP:EL, "Links should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links, or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links.". Happy editing. Ohconfucius 05:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Edits on the Li Hongzhi Page

Colipon, I don't think its too accurate to write things like Mr Li has said he can "fly" or anything. As we are striving toward a factual article that will provide people with unbiased information, we must strive, as much as we can, to present things with background material. In the video lectures and several other lectures, the issue of supernormal abilities etc are explained very clearly and in very scientific principles. I am wiling to share my understanding on the issue with you if you are interested. This, I think, must be taken into consideration when we mention such things in the article. I also would urge you not to reject things just because it doesn't fit into to the framework of what we think we know. If it is so aren't we having blind faith on our own beliefs? We must comprehend things calmly, rationally and objectively, certainly not emotionally.

Theories are models that serve to explain a set of phenomenon. Not a description of reality as such. The Newton's "laws" serve as a simple framework to model motion at non relativistic speeds. Special relativity, as a model, helps us understand motion at higher speeds. Other phenomenon like quantum tunneling fit into neither of the above two models. My point is it is unscientific to reject a phenomenon just because it doesn't fit into a certain text-book model or any of the present-day text book models. Many quantum mechanical phenomenon like matter undergoing diffraction, quantum entanglement, superposition of states, and quantum tunneling are as "weird" as, if not more than, a particle existing at the two places as the same time. I am just trying to say there is more to science than saying - "That doesn't fit into the framework of what I know, so it cant be true." Falun Dafa lectures explain very clearly and scientifically all issues that are discussed in the lectures, including the issue of supernormal faculties. I'd urge you to kindly go through these nine lecture videos( http://www.falundafa.org/eng/media.htm#GUANGZHOU ) along with these three lecture ( Teaching the Fa at the Conference in Europe , First Fa Teaching Given in the United States, Lectures in United States ) and also the book Falun Gong (http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/flg_2006.pdf ). Further, if you can try practicing the exercises, at least for a couple of weeks, you can verify objectively and "experimentally" the truth of what is said in the teachings.

As for why practitioners have been letting people know of the persecution and actively working against the persecution, please go through this article: http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2007/6/16/86805.html Dilip rajeev 18:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Wahaha Danone joint venture

I just created this article on this very topical subject. The subject matter would make for a good featured article, so I am hoping to enlist your help to get it there qualitatively. Ohconfucius 03:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hong Kong order of precedence

You've made an error in putting the 2 people into 'administrative officials' as they are, in no way, have any administrative duties in Hong Kong under the 'One Country, Two Systems' principle.

You are correct that in practice, PRC President always have precedence over any other Hong Kong officials. However, the Order of Precedence created by the Hong Kong Government for official protocol purposes specifically leaves out the President as had when under British rule, the Queen was not part of the precedence.[2] --Cahk 19:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again,

I don't think that would be needed nor should they be there because it adds confusion:

1) CE of HKSAR is the head of HKSAR and is for that reason that he is not subordinate to anyone. Had this been a political article, then certainly adding the President of PRC would be logical, however, this is not the case.

2) They are nor were they ever part of the HK Order of Precedence, just like the Queen of the UK under British rule.

3) In practice, the OoP in other countries are varied depending on the events and therefore, the occasional visits by Chinese officials need not to be included in the article. --Cahk 23:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Cui Yongyuan

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Li Yong

Colipon, you removed a {{fact}} tag from Li Yong, with a comment that suggested exasperation. At the risk of teaching my grandfather to suck eggs, I think you may have misunderstood why I put it there, and I'm sorry if my edit summary was too cryptic. Template:Fact says it is suitable "to label a passage which is incomplete without a cited source of information". I'm delighted to have another author edit the article, but the edit was incomplete without a reference. I agree that this is "a well known fact that's been published all over chinese media" - so why not include a citation when you added the info, as per WP:V? That document says "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." I thought about including this controversy when I did most of the work on the article, but I couldn't find a reliable source in English, and my Mandarin is nowhere near good enough to check something like this. I think that you are much better equipped than me to "go search for it on youtube", so please feel free to... I also make these quick, uncited, edits, but perhaps we can help each other to kick the habit :-) Matt's talk 06:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Lin Youfang

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I have deleted the above article because it violates WP:BLP by containing negative or contentious content about a living person that wasn't fully, transparently and reliably sourced. I do not, however, think this was an attack page in the normal sense and would not have left you the stock template posted above. To my mind that is for those knowingly posting malicious attack pages, where here your creation of the article seems in good faith even if you weren't aware of the policy.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: pages for Chinese politics

Thanks for your creating pages for the politics of China's administrative divisions such as Politics of Shanghai and Politics of Liaoning. I appreciate it if you can also create pages for other provinces. I have added lists of Governors and CPC Secretaries to all the province-level divisions except Tibet (I am in Mainland China and cannot open the page of Tibet in English Wikipedia because it's likely a sensitive word in China's blocking). You can move those lists to the separate articles. I may also help create some. Thank you. --Neo-Jay 08:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The lists of Tibet leaders can be found at this Internet forum page. It also provides the leader lists for all China's province-level divisions and many prefecture-level cities. Although Internet forum is generally not a reliable source, these lists seem basically accurate and can be verified by other sources.--Neo-Jay 08:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

In China, A Lake's Champion Imperils Himself

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/10/14/world/asia/choking_on_growth_3.html An amazing set of articles, this is the third installment. Check out the rest as well. I think this is the best. You may have already been familiar with them.--Asdfg12345 15:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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December 2007

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March 15

why did you delete the international day for protection of consumer's rights? Colipon+(T) 19:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Because a) it was not hyperlinked, and b) it is not a notable event. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It's been 7 months...

Hello! It's been a while. I am Z. (Damn corrupt Canadian Road ediots...) I always look to you for Chinese unity! Zanfy (talk) 22:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
By the way, I quit McDonald's... Taking up too much of my life. Also helped my war effort. Zanfy (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Qing Dynasty empresses

I notice you have previously participated in discussions about the article titles for Qing empresses. I am interested in getting opinion on the correct location of the articles on Qing empresses which are almost all currently located at hideous violations of pinyin rules. I don't have opinions on the format or even the names themselves so I would like to get some consensus before proposing moves. (But please, no hyphens and no CamelCase.) The articles in question are every CamelCase or hyphenated name plus Empress Xiao Xian and Abahai at Category:Qing Dynasty empresses and Category:Qing Dynasty empress dowagers. If you are interested please discuss it here. Thanks. — AjaxSmack 03:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Beijing

Hey Colipon! I'm currently planning the launch of the WikiProject Beijing, depending on if enough other editors would be interested in such a project. I saw you have edited the main Beijing page recently or in several times in the past and therefor might be interested. If you are, please sign: User:Poeloq/WikiProject_Beijing. As I am posting this to quite a few editors, I am not watching your page and would ask you to reply with any comment or questions on my talk page. Cheers, Poeloq (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

AFD

Want to express your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (2nd nomination)?--PCPP (talk) 10:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)