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[edit] 2004-05 season

I think that since the season didn't happen at all it should not be on the chart of records for each year--it simply looks bad to have it there. I think the footnote should be kept, but without the actual number, perhaps an asterisk? What do you think? Thomas Carson 07:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

It's included as part of the record list for every team. RGTraynor 13:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

And shouldn't be. Thomas Carson 00:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Which is entirely a matter of opinion, but if you want to try to get consensus around changing the Team Pages Format to your POV, feel free to post on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Team_pages_format. RGTraynor 01:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Columbus Blue Jackets players

I have just completed the List of Columbus Blue Jackets players. As of the end of the 2003-04 NHL season, this list is complete for every player that has donned a Blue Jackets sweater. Please help and keep this list accurate by adding players when the start playing for Columbus. Thanks! Masterhatch 12 August 2005

[edit] Civil War Reference for name

I've noticed that the right shoulder patch on their jerseys now has a styleized cap worn by Union soldiers during the Civil War. I wonder if the team will begin to shift to that idea rather than the amorphous team identity the have currently...

Example: http://www.bluejackets.com/graphics/fans/wallpaper/pics/1024x768_denis.jpg

The Civil War logo was introduced in October, 2003, for use on the third jersey. See http://www.bluejackets.com/news/press/arts/1686.0.html. I doubt they'll ever "settle" on one particular theme, so they can maintain more options for marketing the team.

Flying CanOpener 01:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Jackets Standings and Statistics

I edited the 2005-2006 standings to be up to date as of their game on Monday, February 6, 2006, when the Blue Jackets lost to the Vancouver Canucks. The only problem is that I was unable to find any sites with statistics covering current PIM (Penalty Minutes) numbers, so I had to leave that unchanged. Perhaps someone can link to a regularly updated sports site which does show a team's PIM for future reference to anyone who will edit the Blue Jackets' standings every now and then.--Resident Lune 06:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I went to http://www.tsn.ca/ and added up the individual PIM between all Blue Jackets' players who have played so far this season, so the PIM is now up to date. However it'd still be convenient to find an easier way to cover PIMs in the standings.--Resident Lune 06:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I left a message on your talk page about this. --Buchanan-Hermit™..CONTRIBS..SPEAK! 06:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

I like the looks of it. RGTraynor 21:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

How about adding, the current captain & alternate captains? The rest looks cool. GoodDay 00:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I'm actually a little hesitant to add the Captain and Alternate Captains sections, but I can understand why it would be wanted in the infobox. The reason I am, though, is because of the C and A already in the current roster section. That, and wanting to not make the box that much longer after adding important sections such as Conference, Division, and Titles.

I'll see what I can do, though. A concensus or a few other opinions would be great before I make a definite change.-Resident Lune 01:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I like it as well. Any way we can nominate it to be the new standard infobox for NHL teams, at least? NeoChaosX 22:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

And regarding captains, I think that should be left out of the box. Captains and alternate captains can change over the course of the season due to injuries, trades and the like. The infobox should be for more important and nonchanging information. NeoChaosX 22:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible move to Winnipeg?

could it be possible? i herd that it was the reason why they are having exibition games in winnipeg, to see if winnipeg cares about NHL hockey or not. IMURDAD 19 September 2006

Having had a NHL team for a quarter-century, I don't imagine there's any doubt on the issue. If an official announcement is made, it will be reflected in the various articles here. RGTraynor 05:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Wait, what? Why is this being asked on the Blue Jackets' discussion page of all places? The Jackets aren't having any exhibition matches in Winnipeg (though other teams are), and they've only been in the league five seasons (six if you include the lock-out). Resident Lune 11:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed team name

Someone added the "Disputed-section" tag to the Origin of team name section. What's the problem? Jwolfe 19:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, but finding appropriate references might be a good idea. --207.69.138.144 23:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm stuck in a bit of a quandary here. I have read the Blue Jackets Media Guide for the season, and in it they specifically describe each and every logo, as well as the origin of the team name and the colors of the team. Perfect to deal with this little conflict concerning references and what the team's name refers to, right? Anyway, the name is a reference to the American Civil War, the amount of soldiers Ohio had involved, and the fact that many uniforms were made in Columbus. On top of that, there's other interesting tidbits such as how the 13 smaller stars on the CBJ logo are supposed to represent the original 13 colonies, and how the primary star is supposed to represent Columbus. It also makes no mention whatsoever of the Shawnee Chief Blue Jacket, which means regardless of one's opinions or the similarity in team name and Chief's name, nothing officially supports that claim.

Unfortunately it's sort of hard to use a media guide as a citation, since it isn't exactly registered as a real book anywhere online. :-/ So what should I do, folks? Any advice? I'd like to deal with this name conflict as fast as possible. -Resident Lune 13:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Use the media guide as the reference. I do with the Calgary Flames and Western Hockey League media guides all the time. Even if it is not an on-line source, such publications are still considered valid. And it is kinda hard to go against what the team itself says about the logo history. Resolute 16:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the media guide is "perfect" because it isn't NPOV. Media guides tend to be sanitized versions of what the team wants the history to be, not the actual history. The Native American reference isn't politically correct and the "insect with an attitude" wasn't popular, so now it's all about the Civil War. McConnell's influence isn't even mentioned, because that seems frivolous. Contemporaneous media reports would be much, much better in this regard, but tracking them down would be a lot of effort. Jwolfe 20:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Given the team itself chose the name, it is highly unlikely that they would misrepresent why they chose it. If they don't like the Native American reference because of the nature of PC, they would not have selected the name for that very reason. That alone leads me to believe that the reference is an urban legend at best. My recollection of the naming of the Blue Jackets is that there was a civil war tie in from the beginning, so in this case, I would tend to trust the media guide, especially if other reliable sources are lacking. Resolute 22:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

You're spot on when you presume that the Civil War reference was from the very beginning. I have a copy of NHL All-Access that was released on DVD in 2001, and it even has a "Building Columbus" section. The logo of Stinger has him wearing that Union hat and uniform, so it isn't like the tie-in was retconned in to the team's history just because the "insect with an attitude" didn't catch on as the main reference to the name. - Resident Lune 23:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The Name was chosen in a WNCI radio contest, and the reference of the name, as stated by the winner of the contest, was to Ohio's extensive contribution to the Union army. Of course WNCI radio shows are impossible to cite, and old issues of the Columbus Dispatch are tedious to sift through, so the media guide is the best choice as a reference. 65.24.116.97 09:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mascot, and Picture of Jerseys

Team Mascot needs to be mentioned, and also a picture of their current jerseys would add to the article. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 00:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fredrik Modin/Alternate captains

The Blue Jackets official website doesn't list Modin as an alternate captain. Why, is he listed on this article? GoodDay 18:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Before the season, Hitchcock announced that the alternate captains would rotate amongst Nash, Vyborny, Fedorov, and Modin. See [1]. All have worn the "A" this season. Modin wore the "A" in the most recent game (see [2]), even though Vyborny (who is listed on the CBJ web site with an "A") was in the game also. Jwolfe (talk) 11:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. GoodDay (talk) 22:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleveland Barons

Should it be mentioned that the Blue Jackets were the first NHL team in Ohio since the Cleveland Barons had left? 76.126.29.36 (talk) 05:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

It was hard to work it in, and I'm not completely confident that it should be there, but if it belongs anywhere in this article, it belongs where I put it. Macduffman (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

After-thought I suppose it could also be included in the intro, as per Calgary Flames intro. Macduffman (talk) 16:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Fail GA Nomination

I'm sorry, but this article has an obvious lack of references/citations. When you have added the (many) necessary citations, you can think about nominating again. But not now. Noble Story (talk) 13:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

In response to the GA failure, I added a few references and a (referenced) section about early franchise history. I also added the "refimprove" template so that others might notice and help out. If references are the only thing keeping this article from GA status, then references are what I'm working on. Macduffman (talk) 16:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want an example of a well sourced team article. Calgary Flames is an NHL Featured Article. And Ottawa Senators is an NHL Good Article. -Djsasso (talk) 16:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I took a brief look at the Devils article for writing the early franchise history. I'll check those two out for sourcing. Macduffman (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Ahh yes I forgot the Devils were also a featured article. It would be a good one to look at as well. -Djsasso (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

OK, the number of citations in this article has increased tenfold (yup!) since the failed GAN two months ago. I also have done a (brief) comparison to other GA hockey articles and to the hints for GA nomination, so I feel more confident now that we can either get this article listed GA or get some good feedback this time. Macduffman (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John H. McConnell

I think that a minor snippet about the team's original majority owner, John H. McConnell, should be included. He passed away not long ago, and was probably one of the most-loved pro. team owners in the country, as well as very likely the only reason that the NHL finally decided to give Columbus a franchise (you may recall that Columbus nearly lost their bid).
I think it is worth mentioning these things, if only briefly, since it's a big part of team history. I'll write it up and add it soon (I'll try into include some references to any facts I include), unless there are major objections here. I'll try to make the focus on McConnell's influence on the team, not the man himself. Thanks in advance for any input. Macduffman (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] January 2006 -- Best Record?

I have been going through this article and adding citations for anything I could think of. In the paragraph(s) about 2005-2006, regarding Jan 2006, the statement "They had the best record for January" was made. I was unsure if this meant their best month ever, or they won more games in Jan 2006 than any other team in the league, but I couldn't find references for either possibility. I had placed a ^{[citation needed]} (albeit not terribly long ago), but it was not filled. Since it would be great to get this article back on track toward GA status, I went ahead and removed it. If anybody cares deeply about that month in team history, please find some evidence to back it up, or at least leave a reply here in which you give me a lead. Thanks!! Macduffman (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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