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[edit] borrows heavily

The page Columbine Mine Massacre borrows heavily from my more complete personal web page at :

http://www.rebelgraphics.org/columbinestory.html

Wikipedia is hereby granted permission to use this material.

User:Richard Myers


[edit] left-wing propaganda

This sounds like left-wing propaganda. It doesn't even attempt to be impartial. Suggest rewrite. --80.219.63.77 00:42, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oh, that's helpful. Non-specific criticism by an unidentified party. Richard Myers
This article is not NPOV. It clearly tries to promote the workers' position. It should be cut down to only the facts. 160.39.146.14 02:26, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Indeed, the article comes off almost as a story sometimes. I'll tag it with the Attention...thingy. --Kross 01:36, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
Are there any sources (major newspapers, for example) that describe this event? Virtually all accounts I've seen online are exactly the same as this article, complete with the "chill November morning" opener (it sounds like the writer took classes at the "it was a dark and stormy night" school of narration.) Not to accuse but the whole thing could have been one person's unverified account that got spread around the Internet and ended up here. Paul 22:21, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)


See Conlin, Margolis, Joanna Sampson... Phyllis Smith. The strike and massacre have been very well documented.
The language does need to be neutralized a bit. But please do some research, then criticize. Or better yet, research then EDIT. Richard
A friend of mine wrote a play about this incident, and I helped him with the research. Much of the action described here is corroborated by striker testimony recorded in a transcript of an inquest held in the weeks (or months, I've forgotten) after the massacre. The main issues of the inquest had to do with the escalation of violence during the incident, the use of machine guns during the struggle, the presence of the so-called "rangers" and the relationship between the state police, the owners of the mine and Colorado's governor at the time. (This was an era of much Klan involvement in Colorado state government, btw.) For the most part, the "official" story, as rendered by the Denver papers and by the bulk of the inquest transcript, exonerated the police of wrongdoing and downplayed the miner testimony. You could, as they say, look it up, as the transcript is stored in the University of Colorado historical collections; the public is welcome to look at it in the library basement.
Hope this helps,
J. Gluckstern

If you're going to criticize, be SPECIFIC about it. Saying something's propaganda doesn't make it so.Brad2 06:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My revision

I removed info that was POV and/or unencyclopedic; I left the basics of the event and added the tag because no authoritative sources have been presented. (I have searched "Columbine Mine Massacre" on Google and JSTOR; no results on JSTOR and the only ones on Google were verbatim copies of this article. I don't doubt that authoritative sources exist, however I haven't found any on the Internet. More information certainly can be added to the article if it can be verified. Paul 15:35, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Just to be clear: I realize that this has potential for an edit war and a heated debate over political issues. I want to clarify that my edit of this page (and my placing of Flaming Milka on AFD are not politically motivated. A look at the respective user pages of myself and this article's author will reveal differences of political leanings; I strive to keep personal biases out of all edits, and I'm certain the author does the same. (Incidentally, the Ludlow Massacre article was well written and compliments to its authors/editors.) Paul 15:59, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Notice about this page

After noting that 95 percent of what i've written in this article has been deleted, i have resolved to rewrite it completely, and will provide references. It may take a month or two. --User:Richard Myers October 2005

One of the contributers of Slaughter in Serene was recently (Sometime between 11/7 and 11/9) interviewed on KGNU in Boulder www.kgnu.org. The interview should be archived and available there and may prove helpful for finding sources most or all of which will be nonelectronic. Also, the IWW should also have some kind of records concerning the strike. BTW this is exactly the kind of history that Colorado is made up of but it has been mostly forgotten or hidden. --YellowLeftHand 22:50, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] No Update?

this article is an interesting read but one can not ignore the absence of neutrality throughout. it is also written with an excessivly dramatic voice making the article more narative than informative. the "meat" of this information is then given with no citation of source material. the only source listed is at the end, where it is drawn upon twice. further elaboration & citation is warranted. looking forward to future edits. --Subv3rt 21:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

This was one of my first contributions to Wikipedia a couple of years ago. I am the editor and one of the writers of the first book dedicated specifically to this historical event. It is true that the language in the article needs to be more encyclopedic, and i hope to work on that in the future. However, i recently spent a few months writing a number of other articles here, and for a time am somewhat burned out for major editing work. In the meantime, others are researching the 1927 strike, and hopefully there'll be additional source material available soon. best wishes, Richard Myers 08:37, 5 August 2007 (UTC)