Talk:Collegiate church

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--Wetman 15:06, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Minster (cathedral) - Collegiate church - Merger

This was proposed over 10 months ago when I am sure everyone who saw it, as I did, also saw that the proposer had not seen fit to start the discussion and in any case no doubt, as I did, wondered why. Why merge? Is there any case for merger? Why did not the proposer say?

Now some mindless robot has set a clock running on the issue, and one wonders why. Why the clock? What will happen now it is being timed? Probably nothing.

Some thoughts on the proposal.

1. Relatively few Minsters are or were cathedrals and relatively few Minsters were collegiate. 2. Most Minsters were originally monastic and in Britain none are today. 3. Most monastic churches were called Abbeys not Minsters. 4. Relatively few Collegiate churches were called Minsters. 5. Collegiate churches were not monastic and today none, in the UK at least, have colleges. 6. Both Minsters and Collegiate churches were generally rather grand churches but that is not the meaning of the names.

The question remains. Why merge? Why indeed? The proposal does not have my support NoelWalley 13:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Nor mine. Some confusion between collegiate church and cathedral chapter? Or am I aiming too high in my cultural expectations once again? --Wetman 13:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

As many others articles, this one suffers from systemic bias. It should be made clear for non-American readers which cultures and confessions distinguish between collegiate churches, minsters, and cathedrals. In Russian Orthodoxy, for instance, "sobor" literally means "collegium", "collegiate church", although it is always translated as "cathedral" into foreign languages. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 17:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Strong oppose Collegiate churches are non monastic canonical establishments essentially to offer prayers for the souls of the founding families, whereas the majority of minsters were originally monastic. In the UK the only Minsters to be found are in England, there are none of that name in Wales or Scotland, where the equivalent buildings are known as cathedrals or High Kirks. Brendandh 18:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Would you expand on this, perhaps with a source or so, and work it into the article, which needs just this kind of disambiguation?--Wetman 20:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)