Talk:College of the Holy Cross

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[edit] History

I wish someone less lazy than me would write an extensive history like BC's or Georgetown's.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.239.235.144 (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2006.


[edit] copyedit

I got rid of "alumni" who either are not alumni or are recent grads who are just promoting themselves. Also got rid of the bit about Holy Cross being "overwhelmingly homogeneous" since this is not verifiable, the bit about the Ivy League since it's obvious nonsense, and the bit about admission being "extremely competitive" since our acceptance rate is almost 50% ( see http://www.holycross.edu/about/glance.htm#Admissions for the latest admissions stats) Sader07 01:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually Holy Cross is rated by the Princeton Review as being "overwhelmingly homogeneous," although I do not care enough about this fact to place it back in the article -- [[1]]. I did, though, place Philip Berrigan, author and activist, back on the list -- why did you remove him?[2] They even brought his brother back to school to speak this past fall! For the love of god, his brother's picture on Wikipedia (Daniel Berrigan) is from when he spoke at the college! --Seanmullan 04:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
My mistake, inadvertently deleted him along with the others. Chill, Sean. Sader07 15:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Not a problem... Sorry if it wrote as if I was upset, I was just a bit surprised Seanmullan 04:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Disambiguation link

Why is does the first line of the article disambiguate to just the Holy Cross College in South Bend, Indiana? Sure Rudy went there, but I think it would be better to link it to the general Holy Cross College disambiguation page. --Sader07 05:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, makes sense. Since no one seems to care, I'll change it myself. --24.147.176.128 04:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chris Matthews = HC Embarrassment

It is true, so let's get rid of him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.63.6.3 (talk) 23:59, 19:22, 23 May 2006.

While you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I may even agree with you regarding Mr. Matthews, he is indeed a notable alumnus of the school. Continuously erasing him from the page and/or peppering the page with vandalism will not change that. DrunkenSmurf 02:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Ridiculous. Chris Matthews is one of Holy Cross' best known graduates and there is nothing to be embarrassed about. --Seanmullan 04:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

Fix the following things to earn your GA status:

  • The article doesn't use enough images. Add a few (with proper licenses and captions).
  • I've added {{fact}} to places where more references are required
  • Fix the reference style; use {{cite}}, {{cite web}}, {{cite news}} etc; at a bare minimum, put the link title inside the link.
    • Current: [http://www.google.com] Google
    • Better: [http://www.google.com Google]
    • Best: {{cite web|title=Google|url=http://www.google.com|accessdate=2007-02-11}}

—Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

No effort has been put forth to remedy these problems. I'm failing the article, and you may reapply at some later date. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 23:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Some other things:
  • de-redlink some of the redlinks, per WP:LINK, and the fact that they just look bad.
  • It says you need a citation on the endowmnet, but you seem to have one on the infobox figure. In case you didn't know, you can reuse the same references by naming them with <ref name = "name"> </ref> and then using <ref name = "name" /> Danski14 17:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Obviously someone knows that, because they used it here... Danski14 17:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Second GA nomination

The number of images has been improved and they all appear to be properly tagged. The only issue remaining is the primary one brought up less than a month ago: a visit tp WP:CITET for the main editors of this article is certainly in order. No rush, as soon as it appears the changes are being made I'm promoting this, it's great otherwise. PhoenixTwo 22:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I put all the links inside the link banner. Did you mean something else? Thanks again

[edit] Images

  • Any reason why the photo Image:Bishop_Joseph_Fenwick.jpg was taken out of this article? I read the archived peer review (Great work btw Destinvil) about the copyright issues regarding the other photos but I guess this particular image is OK since it still exists on Wikipedia, while others were removed (and it appears to be public domain in the U.S.)? So is its omission from the main HC page inadvertent at this point? --Georgeryp 06:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC) (later revised)


  • There are a few photos I've take myself that, if cleaned up (contrast adjusted/cropped out people?), might be useful. See http://members.cox.net/gmr3/hc.html commons:User:Georgeryp/gallery. I'll take the time to crop/upload/license them to WikiMedia Commons if anyone thinks they're worth including...? --Georgeryp 06:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks man - the pictures look good from your Web site and anything would help. It would be great to get like 8-12 pictures on the site to fill it out. I cant really find pictures and the ones I do (even from flickr.com) keep getting removed by admin. Plus I'm not in the Woo so no pic-taking for me. Good luck! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.250.34.161 (talk) 12:40, 9 March 2007
    • "...pictures...even from flickr.com...keep getting removed" - Not all images on Flickr are licensed properly for Wikipedia. In fact, Flickr's default license is a standard © "All Rights Reserved" copyright which I'm guessing is a no-no here. It's kind of tricky because on the main page for each photo on Flickr, there's a little green square and next to it, it says "This photo is public". But that just means you and I (John Q. Public) can view it (vs private groups only). That does NOT mean it's "Public domain". To figure out the real license, look right below the "Additional Information" heading, if it says "All rights reserved", you'll have to contact the owner on Flickr and see if he or she will relicense it under one of the CC licenses that is acceptable on Wikipedia. It has to be one of the CC licenses which allows commercial use if I understand this article's peer review conversation. --Georgeryp 22:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Wow, thanks. Would have never known about that with flickr.com. I read their standard disclaimer and read it differently. So I'm guessing recently uploaded pics will be disappearing soon. Maybe we can get more alums to just post their pics on here directly —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destinvil (talk • contribs) 09:42, 12 March 2007
    • Please add the images! And if you can possibly, whilst you're doing that, could you add Category:Registered Historic Places in Massachusetts to them? I'm trying to get pics of NRHP sites organized and expanded on WikiCommons, and all help is appreciated. :) --Ebyabe 17:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Ok, they're uploaded and under the Massachusetts NRHP category you gave --Georgeryp 18:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


  • Places to find more H.C. images (Please ensure they're properly licensed before adding - or just ask us here.)
  1. Commons:Category:College of the Holy Cross
  2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pkeleher/sets/72157594317084269/

[edit] Article Size

When you edit this entire article now, it warns: "This page is 51 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size." So any ideas on good candidates for subpages? Sports? Campus/Campus Life? I'm in favor of condensing the Notable alumni section because, although it's relatively small, much of it is just a listing of several alumni names and their fields... isn't that what List of College of the Holy Cross Alumni is for? A good criterion for moving them to the list page exclusively seems to be if an alumnus has his/her own Wikipedia article already? --Georgeryp 03:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA comment

For the article to maintain its GA status, the logos need detailed fair use rationales. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. --Nehrams2020 06:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 'Maime Reilly'

Correct me if I'm wrong ... but shouldn't the song's name actually be spelled "Mamie Reilly" in the infobox? And isn't it the alma mater, while "Chu-Chu Rah-Rah" is the fight song? ``` W i k i W i s t a h ``` 04:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you're right, the fight song seems to be "Chu-Chu Rah-Rah" (supported by this search of holycross.edu). If I remember correctly, when I added the fight song back in March, the source I used was Wikipedia's own Fight song#H - which read "Maime Reilly" at the time. Another Google search of holycross.edu gives no hits with that spelling, but several hits on "Mamie Reilly" --Georgeryp 02:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversies

There's nothing on this page as it relates to the controversies of recent speaker Chris Matthews. The vandalism on the page is doing a disservice to what was legitimately alumni anger at a pro-choice public figure being given a platform. As well, the recent conference by the Mass. Alliance on Teen Pregnancy and the Planned Parenthood and NARAL controversy isn't anywhere on here. I'm sure the university's media people are whitewashing this page frequently, but someone should revert any cleanup on their part. I'll start the section on the page. Benwetmore 20:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Automatic addition of "class=GA"

A bot has added class=GA to the WikiProject banners on this page, as it's listed as a good article. If you see a mistake, please revert, and leave a note on the bot's talk page. Thanks, BOT Giggabot (talk) 05:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)