Talk:College of Arms

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[edit] Name Change

I think the law surrounding change of name is a bit more complicated: IIRC one may change one's name (given names, surname) at will, and deed poll is merely a way of giving evidence of the fact. But if one has a Christian name, that is a lot harder to change I think. —Ashley Y 03:06, Feb 1, 2004 (UTC)

"Currently only the United Kingdom... have heraldic authorities" -- but the UK as such doesn't (England-and-Wales do, and Scotland does, but there's no overall UK authority), so this sentence might be better recast. (Oh, and this is perhaps picky, but ₤ is the lira sign; £ is the pound sign.) Marnanel 21:06, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The paragraph beginning "Arms are inherited ..." seems like it has more to do with heraldry than the College. Is it here because it is a specific feature of English heraldry, and the manner in which the college grants the use of arms? PRB 12:58, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Inheritance of arms varies between heraldic jurisdictions so, yes, this description fits well into an article concerned only with English heraldry as administered by the College of Arms in London. Chelseaboy 09:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I removed the link to quartering because it was being redirected to Drawing and quartering, which I know is wrong. If someone who knows something about quartering arms wanted to add a page and/or a disambiguation, and then make this a link again, that would be helpful. mjscud 14:33, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Quarter (heraldry) redirects to division of the field. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I've now created a new page on Quartering (heraldry) and a disambiguation page for Quartering directing to Drawing and quartering and to Quartering (heraldry). Chelseaboy 09:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

The payment scheme of the heraldic officers is ambiguous: Are the sums mentioned paid per day of work, a week, a month or a year? I know it sounds like a silly question at first, but since it _is_ mentioned that the payment is only nominal, one is left to wonder. (ie, is it per day, or is a leftover from somewhere in the 15th century, and is the salary for a longer stretch of time) --GNiko 02:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

The payments are annual and I have edited to make this explicit. Chelseaboy 09:56, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

It might be a good idea to include more details on applying for a coat of arms. The petitioner (in England and Wales; this procedure doesn't apply in Scotland) must submit a "memorial" (written petition) to His Grace the Duke of Norfolk, the Earl Marshal (although, as the article says, it's the heralds who actually make the decision). You also have to include a CV. I believe the current fees for a patent of arms are around £3,000 (UK money), although this might be out of date. Walton monarchist89 13:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Brooke-Little

Hey...I've added the John Brooke-Little article to the list for peer review. Any of you contributors are welcome to make additions to the discussions.--Evadb 10:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Law of Arms

This article needs to be connected to the article for the Law of Arms, and vice versa. -- Earle Martin [t/c] 19:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. talkGiler 15:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] lead image size

Hi. As far as I'm aware, there isn't any system of user-defined 'small', 'medium', and 'large' images. So all user-sized images will be the same size (default is 180 pixels). But not all images are appropriate to view at the same size; the college of arms façade image, for example, really needs a much larger size to be coherent than Lant's Roll image does. (And the default 180-pixel width is clearly not enough.) So I can't think of any solution other than forcing a 250-pixel width. And WP:MOS#Images does in fact make allowance for this reality. This is one of those cases where forcing a certain width is appropriate. Doops | talk 15:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] £14 / annum??

£14 / annum for the King of Heralds? Not likely! No-one can live on £14 per year. Is this true? Jake the Editor Man (talk) 18:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Er, no indeed. Garter King of Arms gets a magnificent £49.07, the two provincial Kings of Arms a slightly less exuberant £20.25. Still not much, I know... But they supplement their incomes by charging professional fees for private practice work. talkGiler 15:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Delhi Herald of Arms Extraordinary...

Hi—I was about to add this office to the list of Heralds Extraordinary, when I noticed that it wasn't in the box at the foot of the article either. For further information see William Peyton and Delhi Durbar. Interestingly, it gets no other Ghits. May I be bold, or is this for others to do? I'm a bit unsure about changing the template box at the bottom of the article... Thanks. talkGiler 14:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that it would be best to wait until a stub has been written to add the title to the box. I mentioned a Coat of Arms article on Peyton's talk page which I recall having a lot of information about the office and the use of heraldry at the Durbar. I can try getting a start on it this week and then add it to the template.--Eva bd 15:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Good idea. I've written a stub here; it's not much, but it's a start! talkGiler 16:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Added!--Eva bd 16:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mowbray Herald of Arms Extraordinary...

While we're at it, can we add Mowbray too? Thoughts? talkGiler 14:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd say the same as for Delhi. Wait till we get a stub,then add it to the nav template.--Eva bd 15:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Added!--Eva bd 16:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)