User talk:Coinman62

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Contents 1 Hidden text in Wikipedia 2 Changes to "peso" article and "Spanish dollar" article 3 Louis XIV coin 4 Thanks 5 Numismatic Latin 6 Spanish dollar 7 Sorry

[edit] Hidden text in Wikipedia

Okay, Chochopk, I will take you up on your offer to help. Is there a code that editors can use to place hidden text on the edit page -- for the purpose of notifying other editors why I did something -- but which will remain hidden from view on the article page? I thought there is such a code, but I cannot find it in Wikipedia help. Thanks,Coinman62 14:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You can do something this:

The euro (currency sign: €; banking code: EUR) is the official currency of the European states <!-- Dear editor, please do not do so and so because ... -->. The euro is not used in all of the European Union as not all EU members have adopted the currency.

That is usually called "comment". Note that if you have the comment as a separate line

The euro (currency sign: €; banking code: EUR) is the official currency of the European states

<!-- Dear editor, please do not do so and so because ... -->.

The euro is not used in all of the European Union as not all EU members have adopted the currency.

Then the comment line is as good as a blank line. So the text that follows will start as a new paragraph. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 20:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to say, there's a live example at Foreign exchange market, at the "External links" section. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 20:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes to "peso" article and "Spanish dollar" article

Thanks, Chochopk, for your advice on the hidden text. It worked great. A friend of mine is one of the most respected numismatists in the entire world, and I consulted with him today about the "peso" article and the "Spanish dollar." He offered quite a bit of assistance and suggested some resources. So I made some clarifications on those two pages, based upon his advice and what the published resources said. You might take a look at the changes and see if they are consistent with your knowledge of the two subjects. Coinman62 20:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I made some minimal changes to Spanish dollar. You are obviously an expert on dollar/peso coins. Anything before 1900 is out of my reach. However, I made User:Chochopk/Latin Monetary Union unit as a quick reference to myself. Since you're interested in uploading coin image, I thought these 2 templates can be useful to you:

• {{Coin image box 1 double}}
• {{Coin image box 2 singles}}

They were made at the request of User:Curtius and have been applied to Roman Republican coinage extensively.

I see that you uploaded Image:Carlos IV Coin2.jpg and at the same time update Image:Carlos IV Coin.jpg. Now that these two files are identical. I know this is a sensitive topic, but do you think one of them can be deleted? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chochopk. Thanks for adjusting the boxes on the Spanish dollar article. Yes, I have been reading on Wikipedia how to delete the first image of Carlos IV coin.jpg -- I think you place a delete tag somewhere on the image file. The more recent upload of Carlos IV coin2.jpg is an improvement over the first. I tried to upload the second as an overwrite of the first. When I made the attempt, it seemed to upload and overwrite, but the page containing the image did not change to the new image. So I don't know what step that I left out. I must admit that I chuckled at your comment that this was "sensitive," but I don't mind a deletion if there was some improvement made. Thanks again. Coinman62 13:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It appears that you have successfully overwrite the first image. If you look at the file history at Image:Carlos IV Coin.jpg, you will see 2 revisions. The newer one has exactly the same number of bytes as Image:Carlos IV Coin2.jpg. And on my screen they look identical. Perhaps it was your browser's or the server's cache that prevented you from seeing the effect on the real articles. You can do the following to force a refresh:

Mozilla/Safari: hold down Shift while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R), Internet Explorer: press Ctrl-F5, Opera/Konqueror: press F5.

If it's just a cache problem, then I believe it is image 2 that should be deleted.

Have you thought about uploading images to Commons so that the same image can be used on Wikipedias in different languages without re-uploading to each different server? The policy on commons is stricter than on en because it has to meet requirements in all countries. However the images you have should have no problem because they qualify as commons:Template:PD-old on the coin design itself, and you made the image yourself. I often find these copyright rules on Wikipedia annoying. They can be a blocking stone for spreading knowledge. But trust me, sooner or later, we will run into one of those copyright crusaders. If you choose to re-upload the images to commons, the duplicate copy on en can be deleted. I can help doing the tedious job of tagging the duplicate if you want. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Louis XIV coin

Hello coinman62, I apologize if I may have caused you any offence by reverting the caption to the image. I had only done so because I believed and continue to believe that in having it translated in full (to represent "Louis XIII, by the grace of God, King of France and of Navarre") viewers who may not comprehend Latin may more easily understand the meaning of the inscription. I felt that the original method of presenting the caption, while seemingly truer to the original inscription, was somewhat disjointed and did not flow. None the less, I am very much open to your own point of view. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brian junhui sim (talk • contribs) 14:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Thanks

Chochopk, well, you really are a very nice person and quite an accomplished editor. The coin box and caption that you created are beautiful. A few days ago, you provided me with the code to create this style of box, but I had not realized that the separator will probably discourage some unnecessary edits. I submitted the edit containing your suggestion on the Louis XIV article. Many, many thanks. I am now feeling quite guilty for having thrown such a fit, but hopefully, you also now understand why I had become so frustrated.  :-( Coinman62 02:35, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. It never feels to to see one's own edit being obstructed. Perhaps that's the inevitable draw back of an open encyclopedia. I believe that most of your edits are still visible now. Edit and always be prepared to defend your own edit (like what you just did). --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Numismatic Latin

Your coin boxes are a quite nice and informative addition to many articles, but in some cases the Latin could use a little touching up; e.g. "dei gratia" means "by the grace of God", not "thanks be to God" (which is "deo gratias"). I'll be happy to fix them up if I can find all of the coin boxes with Latin inscriptions. RandomCritic 19:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish dollar

I'm no numismatist, but I think that the "Carlos and Juana" coin on the Spanish dollar page is a 4 reales piece rather than one of 8 reales -- at least, it is stamped with the numeral "4" on the reverse. Do you have an image of an 8 reales C & J piece to substitute for it? RandomCritic 04:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC) You'll also notice that I switched reverse and obverse labels on a couple of the images. Again, I'm no numismatist, but it's my impression that the obverse is the side which bears the king's name and the start of the titles; the reverse has the conclusion of the titles (if necessary) and the motto, while the date can appear on either side. Comparing these images with numismatic sites on the web dealing with Spanish coins seems to bear this out, e.g. here; the author of the site labels the side with the coat of arms the obverse, and the side with the pillars the reverse. RandomCritic 04:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering whether we might agree to utilize all upper case when bracketing omitted Latin letters. I doubt that there is a Wikipedia rule, but this is the only thing that looks a little awkward to me. A friend of mine is a typesetter, and she thinks all of the Latin lettering should be upper case. What do you think?

I have no particularly strong feelings on the question, but I used the lower case letters because they took up less space.

Also, I think most editors prefer to use "8 real" coin instead of "8 reales," because grammatically, you would say "5 dollar bill" or "8 foot ladder" or "7 mile run." I made this change on the Spanish dollar article.

Maybe, but I had often seen "8 reales coin" used. Doing a Google search, I get 342 hits for "8 real coin" and 11,300 hits for "8 reales coin". Again, I have no personally strong feelings on the question.

Finally, you are quite correct that the M stands for "Mexico" (actually, I suspect that this is actually abbreviated for the Latin Mexicanus (?) or something similar). But I do know the "O" is the assayer's mark, not the end of the Latin word. In fact, the assayer's mark is what numismatists use to date the coin. This portion of the inscription translation should be changed.

I am not sure about this: I used the Mo to represent the M with a small o on the top, which is a form often used for abbreviations. I thought the assayers marks were the F M, T H, I I, etc. at the end of the sequences.

Anyway, thanks for being agreeable about these edits; it's always nice to find editors who prefer cooperation over conflict. RandomCritic 16:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry I have merely made some edits to your edit...if you get what I mean! Thanks for the contribution! --Cameron (t|p|c) 20:53, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

And in future...remember it's honour. = )

OK thanks coinman, I look forward to working with you in future! --Cameron (t|p|c) 16:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)