Talk:Coinage of words by William Shakespeare

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[edit] Wow! This many!

Dang! i have new respect for Shakespeare! that is a lot of words...Jeran 18:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Holy Shit! What did we say before Shakespeare came along?Cameron Nedland 21:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm a new Wikipedian, but shouldn't this page be devoted to improving the article? An improvement to the "sources=" and more structure layout of the words would be nice.

Good thinking. Do you want to start on that? AndyJones 20:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah...sorry about that.Cameron Nedland 19:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


So if he invented these words, how did people at the time have any idea what he was talking about? It's one thing if they're brand-new onomatopoeiae, but .. was it just the familiarity of the latin word roots?


Essentially, the answer is he didn't invent them. He is just cited as the earliest source for them in the Oxford English Dictionary. This article shouldn't exist.

are you kidding!? this is the most informative site I have ever been at!


it may be true that Shakespeare can't be credited for inventing all these wordes by himself but that is still impressive

youguys are morons shakespeare isjust taking credit for the inventoins of all these words he didnt actually invent them

You guys that say this article shouldn't exist are retarded. You certainly can't prove Shakespeare made up all of these words, but you should be giving him credit for the first to use them in written literature. Since he was the first to use them, he should be given credit for the invention of those words because if he had not written them down, how would we know them today?

Because other people used them as well?

I once read somewhere (I forgot exactly where) that Shakespeare coined the onomatopoeic phrases "bark," "bow-wow," and "cock-a-doodle-doo" all in the same poem. How true is this? I'm far from a Shakespeare scholar, or any type of scholar for that matter, but I'm genuinely curious.

It is very likely false.

[edit] Misleading title

It is pretty clear from the discussion in the proposed deletion that the title "List of English words invented by Shakespeare"

is misleading.

I suggest moving the page to a more accurate home.

Off the top of my head: "List of English words first found in Shakespeare".

Any other suggestions? Trishm 09:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's just it. If the words were first found in Shakespeare, then he would have invented them. We need something more along the lines of: "Words popularly attributed to Shakespeare." Because scholars used to say he invented them, but now we know that many of them were biased. Wrad 14:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Don't delete it!

I do think the word "invented" should be cleared up but some of them were invented by Shakespeare, so the article certainly should not be deleted. That might be a little extreme... Sydneysaurus 03:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Most seem to agree with you (and me) on this. Take a look at the deletion discussion for some ideas for a new title. Wrad 03:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I like the idea of merging this into a new Shakespeare's influence article, to conform with other articles in the Shakespeare series. What would be the best way to do this? Wrad 18:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading title 2

This doesn't seem to be a "list" of words at all, just an article about Shakespeare's influence on the formation of words. Is there an actual list anywhere to be found on Wikipedia?

The list was considered too long and inaccurate and was deleted, so there is no such list on Wikipedia anymore. Wrad 18:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Then the page needs to be moved or merged since it has an inaccurate title. — Jaxad0127 17:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
That is happening. See Talk:Shakespeare's influence. AndyJones 18:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No list

In order to see the discussion that resulted in removing the old list, see the deletion discussion in the template above. Wrad (talk) 22:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, that link doesn't work. Hold on. Wrad (talk) 22:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Here is the link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of English words invented by Shakespeare. Wrad (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)