Talk:Coin collecting

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Reverted childish comment at the end of the "Casual Collector" section. Gmrx 15:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] External links

This section is getting a bit out of hand, I think some consensus is needed on which links are most useful to the page. I have removed some that seemed obvious and rearranged the remainder. Following is the list of links removed with my reasoning. I also think the current list could use a site or two relating to non-US coin collecting, but I haven't found a good one yet.


I think the directory listing should go, i hate those. Also, one of the forum listings should go, only see need for one of those. Other than that... Joe I 21:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Forums are an integral part of coin collecting these days. Certainly much more important than link lists and price guides.--70.225.45.252 02:13, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
What do you think about this one? It has a lot of infromation and good searchable coin catalog:
My Coin Collecting - Ecybers 01:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I've purged a lot of the links from the article (and here). People are just adding links here to increase their google rank. I've left a few - but I'm no big fan of any of them. I'd be happy if this article had no external links section at all. Megapixie 01:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The site I like to use for most coin related information is http: //coininfo.com. Gives daily market quotations as well all Coin Show, Auction, and Coin Dealer information. Site is user friendly and they seem to respond to email questions in a timely manner— Rmcoin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 19:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
We invite everyone to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, the external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. --Hu12 21:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
So what are the opinions of this site, coininfo.com? I wanted to recommend added this to the "external links" section regarding "coin collecting".— Rmcoin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 16:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC).

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The external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links. --Hu12 06:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
What does comply? Coinlink is an external link, CoinInfo.com is the same except has more in depth information for coin collectors such as finding US Coin dealers they would like to contact to build on "Coin Collecting". Also list Coin Shows, so the same collectors can vist local shows to find hundreds of Coin Dealers in one location for there "coin collecting" hobby. Not sure how this does not apply to the "Coin Collecting" links section. To me, it's a very important site for coin dealer information. Please explain --Rmcoin 17:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
The nature of Wikipedia means that you can't make a convincing argument based on what other links in articles do or don't exist (ie Coinlink); because there's nothing stopping anyone from adding any link to any article. Plenty of links exist that probably shouldn't, conversly many links don't exist that probably should. So just pointing out that a link exists in an article doesn't prove that the link in question should also exist.
Your contributions to wikipedia consist soley of adding CoinInfo.com and is considered WP:Spam. Looking through your contributions as a whole, all seem to be CoinInfo.com related only. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm, nor is a repository for coin dealer information. If you have content to contribute, contribute that instead of external links. Don't simply direct readers to another site for the "alledged" "very important " information. Unfortunately the External links policy and Advertising and conflicts of interest states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked, which is in line with the conflict of interest guidelines. You're here to improve Wikipedia -- not just to funnel readers off Wikipedia and onto some other site, right? Hu12 18:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Right now the "External links" section looks ridiculous, with only one link to one U.S. coin organization. The American Numismatic Association is a good organization, and I'm a member, but it makes no sense to link only to this one group. It seems the pendulum has swung too far, with the anti-links sentiment too draconian, an overreaction to link spam. Links can be *useful* and they're the defining characteristic of the Web. Used right ... links are a handy way for users to get more information about the same or similar topics. I'm going to add links to other major national coin organizations (impossible to list them all) and well-respected informational Web sites. If somebody here wants to delete these, go ahead, but then it only makes sense to delete the entire "External links" section rather than keeping it as is with only one link. If anyone has a problem with any site, let's discuss. Note: I'm a hobbyist and collector, not a dealer, and I'm not pushing any agenda here. Reidgold 18:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

So much for collaborative writing. Seems I'm not able to add anything, or add this anyway, to the "External links" section. I tried to replace the one link that's there with this:


If whoever controls this wants to add any of these links, that could only improve things. Reidgold 18:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coin collecting specialties

I have never once heard some of these 'categories' of coin collectors in any kind of book, website or in any general conversation among coin collectors and numismatists. 'Curious Collector'? Not once have I ever heard that one in any way shape of form, anywhere but here. I am not sure where this section came from but it needs some serious work (or deletion as I would vote for). --70.225.45.252 02:15, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I would much rather see text on types of collecting as opposed to types of collectors. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Qwertypoiuy/proposed_coin_collecting for an example. Obviously, this is a quick example but I could easily take a little time to expand it to replace the current text as long as I am not wasting my time on it. ;)
I agree with these comments. Qwertpoiuy, I was thinking of proposing something along the lines you suggested. From what I am aware, the major types of collecting are country (collect an example from each country - often a crown sized coin), type, year (including mintmark), then variety. I listed them in this way as they are in descending order of specialisation. What country/region/period to collect is then a separate question - I once met a guy who collected world coins by year - that was ambitious! Qwertypoiuy, if you want to go ahead with your idea, then I will help you out - as long as you don't mind me correcting the grossly US specific items ;) I think we need to give some pretty good examples of exactly WHAT a variety is - we will need some good images. Let me know what you think.

--PatClay 23:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tone

This article has a non encyclopedic tone. so... yeah. that should be fixed..TastemyHouse Breathe, Breathe in the air 08:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

  • parts of the article are more a how-to guide - that should be moved to wikibooks

[edit] Change

Hi

I just submitted a pretty major change to the article along the lines others have suggested earlier. The majority of what I have done is changed the curious/advanced categories, which other people have also found strange.

I have replaced it with a breakdown of the types of things people use to define their collection, countries, errors, years etc.

I think that this is an improvement, and hope that I have not broken any rules by the major rewrite, let me know.

Thx --PatClay 18:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Things look good at quick glance. One thing, if you got these from a source, either paper or online, a reference would help a lot.  :) Joe I 22:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numismatics

I wrote this in the numismatics article: "History of Numismatics Coin collecting has existed since ancient times, it is know that Roman Emperors were among some the earliest coin collectors. It is called the "Hobby of Kings" and rightfully so due to its most esteemed founders. Numismatics reached its apex due to the great demand during the late Middle Ages and the early Renaissance. In this period ancient coins were collect a great deal by European Kings, Princes, and nobility. It is know that Emperors Augustus and Julius collected Greek coins. Other collectors of coins are Pontif Boniface VIII, Itlaina poet Petrarch, Emperor Maximilian of the Holy Roman Empire, Louis XIV of France, Ferdinand I, Elector Joachim II of Brandenburg who started the Berlin coin cabinet and Henry IV of France to name a few."

I was wondering should'nt coin collecting be merged with the numismatics article? There seems to problems with both articles, however if they are made one they would be great --Margrave1206 18:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the main argument right now for keeping them separate is that numismatics is more of a science, and "coin collecting" is a hobby. Note that I do not necessarily endorse this argument, just that it's my understanding of why we have two articles.--chris.lawson 04:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy Edit

I have made several edits to improve the structure/flow and tone of this article. I am by no means a coin collecting expert and if I have removed any encyclopedic information that should have been contained in the article, please let me know. I removed the "rewrite" and "cleanup" templates in favor of a "copy edit" template. The "Coin collecting specialties" section needs to be renamed or the information merged into other sections. I placed the "copy edit" template as I don't think that the article needs a complete rewrite any more, but could do with further touch-up. Also, it needs to be sourced, particularly with regard to the historical claims. Into The Fray T/C 17:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

It is far better now, no doubt about that. I think that now it would really benefit from a well referenced expansion. Similarly Numismatics needs immediate attention, I only recently carried out a brief copyedit, added an image and so forth. The prose from both articles was also a little iffy with respect to their encyclopaedic tone, but they seem to be improving now. It's also useful to have a look at Philately and Stamp collecting, neither are perfect (far from it), but they help to draw the line of inclusion, and where the coin related articles are lacking, given that coins and stamps are similar in some respects. And it's also useful to use the 1911 version of the Encyclopædia Britannica which is available online and is surprisingly packed with perfectly suitable information. -- Chris.B

[edit] USA only

This is an interesting article, but there are more coins in the world than only American currency. Also, I would welcome an insightful paragraph about prices in the times of Eliasberg and his fellows and now, especially with the onslaught of the internet and Ebay. Soczyczi 02:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emperors who collected

It is a fact that the Emperors Augustus and Julius collected Greek coins as little works of art and not for material value.--Margrave1206 (talk) 21:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)