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[edit] Image:Coat of arms of Western Sahara.png Arabic text?

I've got a nice SVG remake of this image just about done, but I need the Arabic to copy & paste into it. Anybody got it handy? :) ¦ Reisio 19:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move controversy

Ported from WP:RM: Here is my position:

  • Flag and coat of arms of the "Sahrawi Rpublic" is much more accurate
  • I did not remove any page but adjusted the redirects.
  • There is in principle no change as the flag of WS redirects to "Sahrawi Rpublic"
  • What I will discuss is to delete this redirect and use one that shows both flags, the Moroccan one ond the one of "Sahrawi Rpublic"
  • The other page was created by mistake (Sahrwai Arab Republic). It does not include any wrong information. If you can/want to delete it feel free.
  • If you are angry because you got blocked, then it's not my problem when you fool yourself.
Cheers wikima 20:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Discussion I'll discuss it all at Talk:Flag of Western Sahara to keep it in one place. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 20:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I thought Western Sahara is not the "sadr"!?
wikima 20:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay How am I supposed to respond to that? What do you want me to say? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 20:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • In the discussion about the calling code and currency you admitted that WS is neither the "sadr" nor the Kingdom of Morocco
  • This article is though named: "Coat of arms of Western Sahara". Since when Ws has a coat of arms??
wikima 20:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Western Sahara The calling code issue revolves around a third party (the ITU) assigning calling codes to a geographic entity. This is about a symbol created not by any objective authority to grant symbols nor an industry standard, but what has gained currency in a discussion of what constitutes a coat of arms for the region of Western Sahara. That is to say, the difference is, there is a regulative body that gives out calling codes; there is not one for coats of arms. Western Sahara has had a coat of arms since February 27, 1976. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  • You are conradicting yourself.
  • I am not talking about the currency or calling code as such but about the fact that you admitted that WS is not "sadr" and is not the Kingdom of Morocco.
  • No matter if currency, coat or arms, or wather, WS is not "sadr"
  • And if WS is not "sadr" then coat of arms of "sadr" is not coat of arms of WS !
  • This is the basic of of logics that you are rejecting and refusing to admit.
  • WS is a disputed territory. And as such it has no coat of arms.
  • Why do you refuse such basic things?
wikima 21:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
WS The scope of the article entitled Western Sahara, by a vote on Wikipedia, is to discuss the geographic entity, not a political state that administers or claims it. The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is not a region, it is a government in exile. The Kingdom of Morocco is also not a region, but a semi-constitutional monarchy; both of them are legal persons. The coat of arms presented here is the only coat of arms created to represent that territory, hence, it is the coat of arms of Western Sahara. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
My (admittedly vague) recollection is that Polisario created this for "Western Sahara" before the SADR was declared. That makes it nice and even more complicated, doesn't it? :p ¦ Reisio 21:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a big contradiction in the article itself: It is titled: coat of arms of WESTERN SAHARA, but the body of article starts with: The coat of arms of THE SAHRAWI ARAB DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC.... A change is needed either to the title or inside the article to be consistent, unless one can say and sign that WS is SADR, which is known to be false.--A Jalil 22:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, whoever did the silly move changed that. ¦ Reisio 01:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
If Reisio's comment is correct, that the Polisario cretaed that coat of arms way before the RASD existed, then this should definitely be renamed to the coat of arms of the Polisario front. WS is a territory and does not mean a country, so it does not have a coat of arms, otherwise we can call the coa of arms of Morocco to be also that of the WS. So this is either the COA of the Polisario Front or the COA of the SADR.--A Jalil 17:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
My understanding was that it was made pre-SADR, but for "Western Sahara" - meaning they were still thinking of just take over governing "Western Sahara" from the Spanish. It was for a country, just not the SADR. ¦ Reisio 20:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay You clearly don't know what you're talking about: "In political geography and international politics a country is a geographical territory." -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 17:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, which makes the SADR not a country, because it is on Algerian soil. And you forgot that the opposite is not true: that a geographical territory (which WS is) is not necessarily a country. I guess you should think before writing, because you are contradicting yourself over and over again.--A Jalil 20:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
What? No one said the SADR is a country. Western Sahara is a country, and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is a state. I cannot possibly understand what you're talking about. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 20:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  • You seem to never understand what others are talking about.
  • If the so called "sadr" is a state then this must be a strange kind of state, without territory, without people (a part from refugees that are kept in camps), wihtout capital, actually only with a piece od clothes that they use as flag.
  • It is - at best - an exiled government, under full control of Algeria, busy with the same people at the power since 30 years, and whom the Sahraoui refugees really don't like. And nothing more!
wikima 20:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Once again I cannot believe that I have told you this at least a half-dozen times before: the SADR does have territory, it does have a population, it does have a capital, and all flags are made of cloth. The fact that you repeat these untruths as fact shows a real lack of good faith on your part; you're blatantly lying. It is an exiled government, just like the Republic of China; that doesn't stop it from being a state. See also Flag of Tibet, instead of Flag of the Central Tibet Administration. This government-in-exile governs no territory and is completely unrecognized. To move this page to Flag of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic would be 1.) inaccurate, 2.) inconsistent, and 3.) out of step with naming conventions. If you keep on repeating untenable assertions like "Sahraoui refugess really don't like [the SADR]," you're going to have to provide some kind of evidence to be persuasive at all. All the Sahrawis I've met like them, and the international community recognizes Polisario as the genuine representative of the Sahrawi people. And, again, you already know all this, if for no other reason than the fact that I've told you several times before. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 15:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Tibet is the name of a former country. Therefore Flag of Tibet is the flag of that former country (like flag of the Soviet Union). Western Sahara is not a country and has never been a recognized country with that coat of arms. --Juiced lemon 12:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
What's your point? That a coat of arms can't be named after/for a state that hasn't been as well-realized as some others? I hope you realize how many flags of current states are derived from flags used by revolutionary movements. ¦ Reisio 15:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I hope you realize how many flags used by losing revolutionary movements have been forgotten. --Juiced lemon 18:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, but how many of those flags had to suffer you misnaming them? :p ¦ Reisio 03:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coat...s?

I don't get the pluralization. There's only one CoA, AFAIK, regardless of whether you refer to it as that of the SADR or WS. ¦ Reisio 03:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asides

Compromise How about we avoid the entire political scenario about who-controls-what-and-where and we just discuss the coat of arms itself in its own article? -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 02:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)