Talk:Coat of arms of Hungary

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"Declaredly atheist worker state"... As far as I know the only officially declared atheist state was Albania under Hoxha.


As Wiki doesn't seem to have an article on "double cross" (a term I used as the literal translation of the Hungarian term), I'd like to know what's the English name of the white cross that can be seen in the right half of the coat of arms. Can anyone help? Alensha 14:57, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I believe it's called a Patriarchal Cross, for it matches the picture of said cross in my dictionary. But then, we seem to have a stub linking to that article now.... :)--Jen Moakler 22:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've just fixed some typos and tidied the punctuation and phrasing. I don't believe I've changed the meaning of anything written. Also wikified Anjou lily, but it doesn't have a page. Is this the same as a fleur-de-lis? --Jen Moakler 22:49, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrections & the word suggestions. Yes, it seems it's the fleur-de-lis. Alensha 12:30, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Large coat of Arms

Hi, just updated the article with the Extended Coat of Arms from the 1930's. I'm currently working on the bigger version of the current Coat of Arms to replace that small one.

Thanks for the pictures! Alensha 00:09, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More images

I have found some nice HQ images of Hungary's historical coats of arms on the web, and the author is willing to release them CC-by-sa, so as soon as I have time (a matter of a few weeks at the very most), I'll upload them to Commons and include them in the page. Just in case anyone was working on the same thing. KissL 14:04, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Um, it has taken quite a lot more time till I actually managed to get this done... Still, here they are. I've just added five of them, and here is the list of the rest:

I'd appreciate any help with merging these too into the article while maintaining a more or less consistent layout.

There are also a few problems:

  • The text says "[King Imre's] seal didn't include the double cross, only the stripes, and there were nine lions on the white stripes" whereas on the image, the lions are on the red stripes. Can someone confirm which version is correct?
  • There is a similar inconsistency between the text and the image wrt Matthias Corvinus.

KissL (don't forget to vote!) 11:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Large / middle

I think the picture with the angels shows not the middle, but the large coat of arms. (see also the 2nd link in the External links section). Alensha 13:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver or white?

The Hungarian Constitution defines the colors of the stripes red and silver, not white. White is used in cases when printing quality would be poor for silver. "76. § (2) A Magyar Köztársaság címere hegyes talpú, hasított pajzs. Első mezeje vörössel és ezüsttel hétszer vágott. Második, vörös mezejében zöld hármas halomnak arany koronás kiemelkedő középső részén ezüst kettős kereszt. A pajzson a magyar Szentkorona nyugszik."
I corrected the first paragraph accordingly. I think that the picture also should be replaced by a silver-striped version from the government portal [1].
+ The article mentions the white color in history, too. Could anybody confirm if silver or white was used in those times? --KIDB 17:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought "silver" means simply white in heraldry, but I'm not sure... – Alensha 寫 词 22:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

There is no white in heraldry only silver. But silver often represented by white. (As Gold represented by yellow.)

[edit] Right - left

In heraldry, you should determine directions as if you weared the coat of arms on your chest. So the heraldic right side appears on the left hand side on the screen.Timur lenk 19:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] byzantine influence ???

To my knowledge the double cross is NOT a byzantine but a ROMAN-catholic symbol. The first king of hungary St.Stephen was crowned in the year 1000 and the crown together with a double cross (apostolic cross) was send by pope sylvester. Because hungary sees itsself in the tradition of St. Stephen the cross is in the court of arms today —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.1.202.228 (talk) 07:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect picture nr. 4.

Someone pls correct herald nr 4. The current coat of arm was "invented" after fall Communist regime and it was not in line with the heraldics. The "old" heralds ALWAYS showed the coat of arm and on top, the Holy Crown, but never directly on top of herlad, but usually held by angels (and showing pendulum of crown, too). Unfortunately politicains have argued too much to have or not to have the crown on the herald, they forgot that this is incorrect, as the crown is missing its pendulum, which is not the right way to show the crown. So, picture nr. 4 should be with herald we know today, but the crown held by two angels from both sides (like in picture 5 but without the quite-messy herald:) ). Abdulka (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)