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[edit] Dish

Sorry I have removed the following - this is simply not true... (cute story though)

The menu of many popular Australian restaurants feature a dish named The Coat of Arms. It is served on a plate with slices of kangaroo meat arranged on the left hand side, emu meat on the right hand side and usually vegetables in the centre.

MinorEdit July 1, 2005 07:24 (UTC)

I know of at least 3 restuarants in my area which offer this meal. Perhaps 'many' is an exageration, but anyone who says it's not true either doesn't live in Australia or simply doesn't get out much. --jmd 00:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] CoA vs Badge

Should read "badge" not "arms" when referring to the symbols of the states on the shield. These are the badges as used on the state flags and not the arms.

Thanks for pointing that out. I've made the necessary corrections.--cj | talk 01:49, 20 November 2005 (U

thanls


[edit] Croat migrant's invention

I recall reading in Croat dijaspora media many years ago that today's Australian coat of arms was bought? from a Croatian immigrant who was using as his own coat of arms. Does any have anymore information/sources to verify if this is accurate or not?

Cheers, croatian_quoll 05:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Different versions

I am very much interested to see both a 1908 and a 1912 version of the coat of arms, with appropriate captions. GilliamJF 20:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] cross of saint george

"The shield had a white background, with a red cross of Saint George, "

The linked to page then explains:

"The Cross of St. George should not be confused with St. George's Cross, the flag of England"

I fixed the link. It's not really fair to say that the wording only refers to the decoration. JPD (talk) 11:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can't Walk Backwards

Many website seems happy to reproduce the factoid that "kangaroos cannot walk backwards", however someone here disputes this: http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=11640.msg143314

In any event, it needs a credible reference stating they can't walk backwards (do they walk at all). It also needs a credible reference that that was a reason why they were chosen for the coat of arms. As for emus, can any birds walk backwards. Asa01 (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arms of Her Majesty

A recent edit changed the name at the top of the infobox to The Arms of Her Majesty in Right of Australia. The official government site on the coat of arms doesn't anywhere use this phrase, however, and instead refers to the Commonwealth Coat of Arms. Is there a citation for the alternate name? --Delirium (talk) 06:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

The argument that the Royal Arms of the UK are only the appropriate arms of HM in right if the UK , and the arms granted to a colony/dominion/state are the appropriate arms for HM in that right is made by groups such as the Canadian heraldry society. It was also made in parliamentary enquiry about the use of the British arms in NSW, and it would seem that the State Arms Act was passed at least partly on the basis of this argument. It seems reasonable, but I don't think it has ever been officially expressed either in Canada or Australia. In the Australian case, I also don't know that the name "Arms of Her Majesty in Right of Australia" has ever been used outside Wikipedia, and in any case, even if not original research, it would be silly to suggest that this is the best name to use for the arms. They were granted as arms of the Commonwealth, and usually referred to as such. JPD (talk) 00:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

They are most appropriately The Arms of Her Majesty in Right of Australia as H.M. remains Australia's head of state and is thus the armiger. Whilst the term H.M. Government is rarely heard in Australia today, the Commonwealth Government still is formed at Her Majesty's pleasure. The Queen is the legal embodiment of the Commonwealth, hence the term "the Crown", and in all legal matters the Commonwealth Government is represented as "Her Majesty in right of the Commonwealth of Australia". Whilst Australia remains under the Crown the legitimacy, power, and legal status of the Commonwealth is technically derived from it - the Commonwealth absent of the crown is not a legal entity. On a simpler note and avoiding further discussion of Australia's constitutional foundation, it should be noted that H.M. flies a banner of the arms, as their rightful armiger, when representing Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vox latina (talk • contribs) 05:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

More relevant for this article, though, is what term is actually used for the coat of arms. I am unable to find any sources that indicate that "The Arms of Her Majesty in Right of Australia" is a term that is actually in use, either by The Queen or Her Government. --Delirium (talk) 17:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Delirium makes the main point, but I will also point out that the Queen actually flies a banner of the arms defaced with her personal emblem, so it is not quite as simple as you suggest. JPD (talk) 23:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)