Talk:Co-sleeping

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don't think that including Michael Jackson in a discussion on cosleeping is appropriate. A male adult sleeping with children who are not related or who are not under his guardianship is no where near cosleeping.

It is anyway a related subject. If the word co-sleeping does not apply, we can rename the page to e.g. "Sharing a bed".--Patrick 03:50, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Cosleeping deserves its own description, given its prominence in AP circles and historical backgound. Perhaps we should have a new page (e.g. "Sharing a bed"), and then describe cosleeping briefly as a specialization of it. That might be an appropriate place to quote Jackson, but the focus on Californian law seems overly specific to me. Bovlb 12:26, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
I don't mind splitting the page. Info about Californian law happened to be available, info from other states and countries can be added.--Patrick 23:39, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A "Sharing a bed" article was split off, but it was listed on VFD. The debate concluded that it should be merged back with this article. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:25, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No notice of the merge was placed on this page. I sure would have voted against the merge. Co-sleeping is a rather specific term, used to refer to the practice of a mother sleeping with her baby. AlbertCahalan 03:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
a mother sleeping with her baby and/or father. ☺ Bovlb 05:33, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)
Now that the Michael Jackson trial is no longer hot news, this whole "sharing a bed" thing is looking even more out of place than before. Probably sharing a bed should redirect to sexual activity instead of here, and the co-sleeping page can be cleaned up again. AlbertCahalan 03:59, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sharing a bed does not automatically imply sexual activity. It is only in the western world, in modern times, that the practice implies something sexual. For example, the Great Bed of Ware normally slept 16 people, but it wasn't generally considered used for orgies. Such a redirect would be extremely POV, assuming a modern and western interpretation, which is not a neutral thing to do, and therefore something to be avoided. ~~~~ 09:45, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Fine. Got a better place? I doubt very many people would associate "co-sleeping" with the Great Bed of Ware. Truth is, the VfD was botched. Merging into the co-sleeping page is just plain wrong, especially without even posting notice on the co-sleeping page so that people watching this page could vote on the matter. AlbertCahalan 11:40, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I am not sure what you mean by the VfD was botched. VfD is a Wikipedia procedure to obtain the community consensus. Generally, it is considered that a VfD result must be complied with, regardless of your own opinion. ~~~~ 12:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I mean just that, the VfD was botched. Suppose we hold a VfD for "Fruit", posting notice on the Fruit talk page. At the VfD, we decide that Fruit should be merged into Chicken. People who regularly edit Chicken, totally unaware of the vote, are surprised to find the Fruit article getting merged in. (hey, they're both food, right?) It is then claimed that the VfD was proper and is binding, even though the editors of the Chicken page didn't get a chance to vote. AlbertCahalan 04:28, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Co-sleeping does mean sharing a bed, but sharing a bed does not mean co-sleeping. It seems clear to me that there is some confusion/ambivalence over co-sleeping. The Michael Jackson reference is wholly inappropriate as it does not relate to co-sleeping. Co-sleeping is an aspect of parenting.

The whole piece about Sharing a Bed seems misplaced and I would argue for its removal. Putting the sharing a bed piece on the same page as co-sleeping implies a sexual link, particularly when it is explicity mentioned.

I feel like the citations in this article are misleading; for instance, Paediatr Respir Rev. 2005 Jun;6(2):134-52. "Why babies should never sleep alone: a review of the co-sleeping controversy in relation to SIDS, bedsharing and breast feeding." does not give blanket approval for co-sleeping, or imply that all co-sleeping arrangements reduce risk of SIDS. I've been reading about co-sleeping, planning on co-sleeping... everything I read online seems to imply that co-sleeping reduces risk of SIDS unless parents are drunk/drugged/etc... then I did a literature search using a biomedical citation sorter (Pubmed) and it really, really, really seems that there is an increased risk of SIDS for parents that have baby in the same bed, regardless of drink (etc). These are not studies with a hypothesis, these are multiple, longitudinal studies simply assessing sleeping arrangements in SIDS cases. It does seem like having baby in the same room in a cosleeper or hammock (etc) reduces risk, but this and *many* other articles just make it seem like cosleeping of any kind reduces risk (especially with incomplete citations) and I'm afraid that is dangerous!onli —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.94.108.181 (talk) 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] INCEST?????

this article! I doubt its veracity somewhat, but if it's true, co-sleeping is INHERENTLY incestuous, and incest is a universal human condition. Please message me if you have info! Awesimo 08:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Co-sleeping has absolutely nothing to do with Michael Jackson, incest, or sex. It is a parent sharing a bed with a child. Zatoichi26 01:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New categories

Hi, just thought I'd mention that I've added 5 new categories so folks who are looking through topics besides Category:Sleep will have a chance of coming across the article. Cgingold 11:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request a link

The Tufts University Child and Family WebGuide is a good co-sleeping resource. http://www.cfw.tufts.edu/topic/2/176.htm

The WebGuide is a directory that evaluates, describes and provides links to hundreds of sites containing child development research and practical advice. The WebGuide, a not-for-profit resource, was based on parent and professional feedback, as well as support from such noted child development experts as David Elkind, Edward Zigler, and the late Fred Rogers. Topics cover all ages, from early child development through adolescence. The WebGuide selects sites that have the highest quality child development research and that are parent friendly.

The co-sleeping page of this site provides information on co-sleeping and sleep problems that can arise from such parenting techniques. Some of the sites also contain information on co-sleeping as it relates to breastfeeding, as well as SIDS. Articles offered provide easy to understand applied sleep research and information on sleep disorders. Teamme 15:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Standard practice

re. "It is standard practice in many parts of the world outside of North America, Europe and Australia, although sometimes children may crawl into bed with their parents."

I think it is also standard practise in parts of Europe. At least it is very common in Scandinavia. Rune X2 08:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)