Talk:Club Deportivo Chivas USA

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Contents 1 Accents in names 2 Accents in writing 3 Palencia 4 Page title 5 Picture of Shirts

[edit] Accents in names

Although there should be accents in the names of Mexican players, there shouldn't be in American names (and those who are Mexican-born, but are naturalized Americans). "á" is not an English letter. The official Chivas website is trying to hispanize its Americans. And the English version of the website does not use accents on the roster page. --Dryazan 19:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it is indeed an English letter, it's an English letter with an accent. In this case, unlike, for example the Norwegian letter "å" which cannot be separated into two parts, the diacritic mark is not part of the letter. In fact, Spanish uses acute, diaeresis and tilde, but not diacritic marks.203.148.171.30 18:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

If you look at the club roster in both the English [1] and Spanish [2] versions, there are NO accents for ANY of the players. If on the other hand, you look at the text in the articles for each player, those articles use the accents in both the English-language and Spanish-language version (see Aarón López [3] for example, or this press release [4]). American names are not universally accent-free. For one non-hispanic example, the singer Beyoncé Knowles from Destiny's Child. BlankVerse ∅ 12:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I understand that. However, when I -- and others -- started to created MLS-related content on Wikipedia, the decision was made to keep accents out of American players names, for the reasons stated above. I have worked the past year under that assumption. Please do not revert it on me. --Dryazan 12:31, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But you know, it's not a huge deal. I would like for the player pages to be located at the accent-free name, but if you want to switch it back here, and use the López|Lopez pipe, go ahead. --Dryazan 12:54, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Where and when was this decided, and by whom. Wikipedia:WikiProject Football clubs, for example, doesn't say anything about how to name players. BlankVerse ∅ 12:57, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football clubs does not say much. Most MLS pages were created (or updated) by myself, Chris Edgemon, and others. As for when that discussion took place, can't remember. Sorry. Unless we look at the players' birth certificates or naturalization papers, we don't know if they had accents. But they probably don't. Orlando Perez was always "Perez" when he played for the MetroStars, DC, and Chicago. Now with Chivas he's suddenly "Pérez"? Lopez, Mexican-born and all, was "Lopez" at UCLA: [5] What happens when he gets traded away? --Dryazan 13:05, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Removing diacritics from spanish names makes as much sense as putting accent on foreing names in Spanish because the name complies with the accentuation rules, imho. About names "probably" not having accents, is just as accurate as saying that "probably have accents". I doubt anybody in USA types accents, they're not easily typeable on a keyboard set to English language. At any rate I think this should be discussed properly on the wikiproject talk page. SpiceMan (会話) 09:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Accents in writing

I modified the "adiós soccer, el fútbol está aquí" so it conforms with accepted Spanish grammar. Names are one thing, but placing the diacritical marks is another. --Sirimiri 05:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Guevarra is still with RBNY. The trade has not been confirmed at this point.

[edit] Palencia

Apparently, early media sources confirming his move had jumped the gun. At any rate, the transer to Pumas is still probable, and I'll stick him back in the roster if it definitively falls through. Anyone else who wants to put him back before then, go ahead, because he's still not really gone. Bill Oaf 14:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page title

I am a WikiPedia novice but have made the following changes: Only official team nicknames have been listed (Chivas USA, Red-and-White, Chivas), with 'Goats' being removed; the team's marketing slogan has been updated, as 'Adiós Soccer...' was dropped in favor of 'Está en Tu Sangre' following the 2005 season; and the 'C.D.' form of the team's name -- not used in team marketing or communications since late 2005 -- has been replaced by the full form (Club Deportivo Chivas USA), with short form (Chivas USA) on second reference. However I would also ask if someone could help me change the official title of the page to remove the outdated 'C.D.' form. Thanks, Piercekeegan 06:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, given that, the question really is, which name do we move the article to: Chivas USA or Club Deportivo Chivas USA? Thoughts, anyone? howcheng {chat} 07:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of Shirts

The picture of the home/away shirts, while much prettier than the hodgepodge approximations we have usually on team's websites, they are eggregiously outdated and are in serious need of update. Can someone with a little more technical skill work on this? -- Grant.Alpaugh 15:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)