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genoese is a dialect of the Ligurian language, not of italian see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoese_dialect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.30.204 (talk) 01:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that the first jarsey was ligt blue not pink as states many books donaicus

Miguel Angel Russo is the new coach

To be modified:

Sudamericana 2004 (let's wait this one out...)

Fingers crossed
Add Diego Latorre and Francisco Pancho Sá to the list of players

Well, I think there are already too many players in the article, so I would only put the really important ones, and personally, I don't think Latorre is not one of them. Who is going to be worth mentioning in 50 years?

Sa is VERY important player - 6 times he won Copa Libertadores, include 2 times with Boca!--Oleg Abarnikov 09:38, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Toto Lorenzo had another (unsuccessful) term in the 1980s

Fixed (1987)
Pipa Higuain????

Jorge Nicolás Pipa Higuain (1985~1987)

[edit] Which Players are "The most important"? (for Editing)

gago and palacio!! elpincha 14:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Figures from before 1970

~~Paulo Valentim (1960~64)~~
Calderon Julio Guillermo Meléndez (pr) (1968~72)

[edit] Figures of the 1970s and 1980s

?Jorge Ribolzi (1976-81)
?Darío Luis Felman (1975~78)
?Mario Nicasio Zanabria (1976~80)
?Francisco Pedro Manuel Pancho Sá (1976-81)
?Osvaldo Pichi Escudero (1981)
?Ricardo Alberto Gareca (1978~80, 1982~84.)
?Jorge Nicolás Pipa Higuain (1985~87)
?Jorge Alberto Comas (1986~89)

Comas was not as important as he was for Velez. But the other three were very important. Felman and Zanabria were instrumental in the Lorenzo era titles, and it is a common saying that Boca had only Gatti and Gareca to keep it alive in the dark years after Diego left (1982 to mid-80s). elpincha 11:13, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Figures of 1990

?Carlos Daniel Tapia (1985~94)
?Diego Latorre (1987~1992, 1996)
?Carlos Javier Mac Allister (1992~96)
?Sergio Daniel Manteca Martinez Alzuri (1992~97) (ur)
?Jorge Bermúdez (1997~2001) (co)
?Hugo Benjamín Ibarra (1998~2001, 2003)
?Marcelo Delgado (2000~03)

[edit] Current Figures

?Andrés Guly Guglielminpietro (2004~)

[edit] Players' Links

Is it necesary to have an external link to the BocaCampeonWeb page of each player, when at the end of the aticle we have an external link to the page where you can find all these and many more players? I would remove it.

Marianocecowski 07:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Two little ones

Clemente Rodriguez?
Update on top race, and also update Pernia's article?

elpincha 04:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't know about Clemente Rodrugiez. Is it a star worth mention?

I'nt got much info on the Top Race. Were do you read about it?

-- Mariano 12:08, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

I wouldn't post on Clemente Rodriguez, he can be hardly considered a star.

--Sebastian Kessel 17:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recopa Sudamericana

We should first decide whether to use the year it's played in, or the year of qualification. Boca won one in 1990 and one in 2005, being qualified in 1989 and 2004. The other teams I checked use the Qualy, so I'm changing the 1990 title to 1989. Mariano(t/c) 15:19, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I Agree, the cup is awarded for 2004 achievements (or 1989, for that matter) but it seems Conmebol doesn't think so [1]. :(

--Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 16:52, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, I also see the logic on that. After all, the Copa Libertadores 2005 is played by those who had a good 2004 season. Question is: is it more important when do you Win it? perhaps so. I'll move this discussion to the Recopa page. -Mariano(t/c) 17:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Just one thing

DALE CAMPEON!!! Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 22:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I Can't celebrate yet, too nervous about Sunday... Mariano(t/c) 08:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Taxis

The taxi thing is actualy true [2]. Should be properly written though, and I don't know if it is worth commenting. Mariano(t/c) 16:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ownership

Who owns the club? The article says it has many members - what advantages does membership have? (answers to these questions perhaps could be added to the article) Peoplesunionpro 14:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Like all (most?) social and sports clubs in Argentina, Boca Juniors is a nonprofit organization, not owned but any particular person. Members (socios) have access to verious sports facilities and activities, as well as free entrance to the league matches played at home and discount for other matches i nthe Bombonera. Well, those are at least some of the benefits. Mariano(t/c) 07:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Superclasico Record

The record for the Superclasico is listed as 113/90/93. The article Superclasico lists it as 113/91/94. I know the 94 is right since River won yesterday, but am unsure about the ties. CheshiresMasquerade 14:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kits

Hey All, I might not be that active in WP anymore but even I can see that the kit changed a lot more ince 1906. Let's not forget the baby blues of Adidas, then the dark blue of Olan, and Nike with: White Stripes, Biiiig Yellow Stripe, and now a yet darker blue. It has not been the same kit since 1906, and the sentence (and kits) deserve to be changed.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 01:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notable platers

Should we move this section to its own page? it takes a third of the visual size of the article.... Mariano(t/c) 13:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Kits

[3] --Jor70 22:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review comments

Ok here is the review

The article needs lots of citatons, as currently the comments could be considered POV
The history section is too short it needs to be vastly expanded
Under the notable players heading remove the list of players, as this is unnecessary whn you have a link to the players category
The records section should be turned into prose instead of lists
Headings do not meet WP:HEAD
Don't wikilink individual years
You need a fair use rationale for some of the images used
I would advise you to look at other football club articles that have made GA and FA to gain an idea of what needs to be done to get the article there NapHit 16:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crest

Gentlemen:

Even though Boca replaced the crest in their shirts, the club's site [4] still shows the "old one".

I am not entirely sure if the crest update is official for the club or just for the shirt. If we have no references from the club itself we should proceed as if the club's official site is correct. I added the "references needed" to the "Crest" area of the page because of this. (Also the text is incorrect, they refer to "Intercontinental Cups", the club hasn't won any WCC yet... hope that changes soon)

If no comments are made within 2-3 days, I'll revert to the crest showing on the club's official site.

Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 23:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I just replaced the crest with one off brandsoftheworld, I couldnt find the one with no internal stars, If anyone gets official news about the new one please remember to include a fair use rationale when you upload it. As for the WCC I'm definately not a Boca fan, but I'm praying that los bosteros hammer the cheating Italian scumbags. King of the North East (T/C) 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I saw it, but it's not official either. I just got the jpg off the boca page. Do you mind if I put that one up instead? I does have a fair use rationale in the page. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 23:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Made the Change. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 18:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Misleading stats

A number of editors have been adding misleading stats in regards to Boca top scorers. They have been removing goals not scored in the league from Varallo, Cherro & Tarasconi etc, yet including all of Martin Palermo's goals, so that it appears that Palermo is going to soon become the clubs all time top scorer which is (despite his fine goalscoring record) patently not the case. King of the North East 15:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New crest

There's a new crest since the beginning of the season, without stars in it and with just three stars above, representing the intercontinental cups. i didn't find it anywhere, and the official site isn't updated... 83.41.188.4 (talk) 00:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I just restored the latest available per the official site. It is believed that the new crest only applies to the shirt and it's not the official crest, but I couldn't find confirmation. Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 01:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Puerta 12" Picture should not be here

That photo belongs to River Plate stadium.--Nico89abc (talk) 15:33, 27 March 2008 (UTC)