User talk:CloversMallRat

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1 Kansas City Zoological Park
2 Antioch Center
3 New Article
4 Speedy deletion of Kelso's Pizza & Pub
5 Notability of Pizza Shoppe
6 prod
7 Kelso's Pizza & Pub
8 AfD nomination of Kelso's Pizza & Pub
9 Wikipedia:WikiProject Kansas City
10 The Chain (Deana Carter album)
11 Notability
12 Pizza Shoppe
13 Better Get to Livin'

[edit] Kansas City Zoological Park

Hi. I see you've put quite a bit of work into this article; I read it a bit, and some of it sounds like it was taken directly from a website. I couldn't find where that might be; I just wanted to alert you, however, to Wikipedia's copyright policies; if this is the case, the page will need to be reworded. Thanks. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 23:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, and no, I did all the descriptions of the sections, and named all the snack, gift, and cafe places on my own. But I did get the histroy from the Kansas City Zoo's website, same for the IMAX and Events. I look on their website every now and then to update the events or IMAX movies.CloversMallRat 21:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as no wording is taken directly from the website (i.e., you use your own wording), everything should be fine. -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 21:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I reworded it and left out some info, making it shorter CloversMallRat 21:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antioch Center

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[edit] New Article

A tag has been placed on Kelso's Pizza & Pub, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Dlh-stablelights 08:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like an advert on first glance... Although I may hav been a bit hasty. The first sentance seems pretty POV, which is what flagged it up. I'll tidy it up a bit and remove the tag. Dlh-stablelights 08:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! ^-^ I was just adding to the Encyclopedia 'cause I was kinda trying to relieve myself... I won't get into it but I just experienced what hackers do to forums... >_< anyways, I was just helping out, and pardon my mistakes plz

[edit] Speedy deletion of Kelso's Pizza & Pub

A tag has been placed on Kelso's Pizza & Pub, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia per CSD g11.

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[edit] Notability of Pizza Shoppe

A tag has been placed on Pizza Shoppe requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. WODUP 03:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

A tag has been placed on Kelso's Pizza & Pub requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

^ STOP DELETING IT!!! It's not fair, they don't lack importane just because they're not widespread companies... haters CloversMallRat 21:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

They do lack importune. Unfortianatley, we cannot have articles about non-notable places. They're not important. And we are not "haters." Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 21:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of being able to edit and add stuff if everything is taken down? Do you think I'd take down "Bob's pizza place" in California that has only one location and is useless, but you added it because it's a notable pizza place WHERE YOU LIVE CloversMallRat 21:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Dude, calm down. It's no big deal. We talking about encyclopedia articles, not closing pizza shops. A pizza shop is a pizza shop, and unfortianatley it only wastes space in an encyclopedia. Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 21:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

In order to demonstrate notability, you might try to find an article in a magazine, for instance, that says that this company makes the best pizza in the area. I'm not saying that that would guarantee the article would be retained, but that's the kind of thing that's required. You haven't asserted notability -- you've just said that the company exists. If you can assert notabliity and verify it, that would be what was required. I hope this helps. If I can help further, leave a note on my talk page. Accounting4Taste 22:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I sorta understand Accounting4Taste, but isn't giving the "official website address" to the pizza place all the proof needed? I mean, it gives out the important stuff - and another thing, couldn't help noticing that Sheridan's Frozen Custard remains intact, yet it is the same as what I've been posting (a local Kansas City area restaurant), but it also has nothing like magazine articles and such CloversMallRat 22:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sheridan's Frozen Custard is a whole chain of locations and the place you're talking about only has like 2. Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 22:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

What an organization says about itself -- or a person says about him/herself -- isn't proof of notability. In Wikipedia terms, the only way to demonstrate notability is by independent, third-party, arm's-length sources. Read up on Wikipedia:Verifiability. And I'm afraid "other articles exist" isn't accepted as a reason for keeping an article here -- all that means is that nobody's gotten around to deleting or improving other articles yet. If you feel this other article is spam, or non-notable, propose it for deletion and see what happens. Accounting4Taste 22:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

@JetLover: Kelso's does have only 2, as numerous locations have come and gone - but Pizza Shoppe has like 15 buddy, do your research first >_< Including Nebraska and Oklahoma too

Anyways, I'm re-adding Kelso's, I found a magazine article for Kansas City - thx Account4Taste!! CloversMallRat 22:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No promises -- it's up to an administrator, not me -- but that's the way to demonstrate notability. The more, the better. Glad I could help, and thanks for trying to work within Wikipedia's boundaries. Accounting4Taste 22:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Please be civil, Clovers. Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 22:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure, as long as you don't correct me when your wrong, then it'll be a-ok ^-^

Thanks much Acc4Taste, your great! :) CloversMallRat 22:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I mean putting the angry >_< face. Cheers,Je t Lover (Report a mistake) 22:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

To me it means "pinch" - like when your irritated, I use it a lot on forums, some of them use the emoticon, and they use :pinch: = >_< so... CloversMallRat 23:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages, such as Kelso's Pizza & Pub, to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. --Finngall ^talk 23:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How is it inapropritate?? Uhhh... Sheridan's is still there and it has almost nothing on the page! Also, I gave legitimate resources: A review in a Kansas City newspaper CloversMallRat 23:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

One: If a single review were enough to establish notability, then we'd have entries on every restaurant in the world here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not merely a repository of indiscriminate information. From what I see so far, it's just another pizza parlor.
Two: Due the nature of Wikipedia, where pretty much anyone can create and/or edit an article and not every article gets the attention it deserves, the mere existence of an article does not constitute any sort of "Seal of Approval" from the community. Because of this, using the existence or quality of article X to justify the existence of article Y at best carries little weight and at worst can be an exercise in madness. With regard to Sheridan's, I'd rate it as shaky at best and will consider nominating it for deletion myself. --Finngall ^talk 23:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

So, what's wrong with having every restaurant? I've seen some pretty useless pages here, so one about a restaurant shouldn't be slandered

And I'm not talking about that page - Sheridan's Frozen Custard, not simply "Sheridan's"

Why not every restaurant? Because it is the consensus of the community here that the subjects of articles should meet a certain standard of notability--those standards can be found here. Also, as an encyclopedia, all information herein should be verifiable from multiple independent reliable sources. One follows from the other--if those sources don't exist, then the subject is likely not notable enough for inclusion. Please also see What Wikipedia is not.

Sheridan's Frozen Custard: the article is certainly lacking in sources and I've flagged it as such, which should call it to the attention of more potential editors. I'm more hesitant to call for its deletion outright since at least it's a chain with locations in multiple states, whereas Kelso's is a single parlor. But if nobody steps up to improve it, then it should go.

Useless pages: One, again, if a useless page exists, it doesn't necessarily mean it should--it may simply mean nobody's gotten around to deleting it yet. Two, "useless" can be subjective--what is useless to me is not necessarily useless to you or someone else. --Finngall ^talk 00:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok - that's true, but why did Pizza Shoppe get deleted in that case? Like Sheridan's, it has 20 or so locations in Kansas/Missouri, 1 in Oklahoma, and 1 in Nebraska - however, I actually gave more info and such on it - so, if anything it should definitely stay

And Kelso's has 2 locations, but it's still notable for the city it's located in - but the point is, I verified it with a review, and if you need more - I'll look for more, I really want to contribute without ppl telling me something is useless when it may very well be to someone here: I'm in Kansas City, most of ya'll probably are Texans or New Yorkers, etc. - people that wouldn't know about it, just like I wouldn't know about things there CloversMallRat 00:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] prod

[edit] Kelso's Pizza & Pub

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Kelso's Pizza & Pub, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. JodyB _{yak, yak, yak} 02:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Kelso's Pizza & Pub

Kelso's Pizza & Pub, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Kelso's Pizza & Pub satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelso's Pizza & Pub and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Kelso's Pizza & Pub during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Into The Fray ^T/C 03:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It said to remove it if I suggest it not to be deleted though... ? Anyways, I wrote in the talk page of it CloversMallRat 03:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

You were correct to remove the prod template, but I do not feel that the article satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines. If you disagree, that's what the AfD (article for deletion) process is about. You should discuss it here. I note that the article has been speedily deleted in the past. Into The Fray ^T/C 03:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Kansas City

Hi. You may want to check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Kansas City. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 03:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I joined - thanks again!! CloversMallRat 03:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Chain (Deana Carter album)

Hi there - this article appears to have no content apart from the infobox. I will add in a brief introductory sentence, but i don't know enough to write even a stub article for this! Could you help, please? Best wishes - Fritzpoll (talk) 21:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

^ I just started it, I'm workin on it... couldn't help but notice that she has only one album of the 5 with an article -- so I thought I'd make some CloversMallRat (talk) 21:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea - my advice would be to add text straight off when creating the article, so that it doesn't look like an empty space! BEst wishes - Fritzpoll (talk) 22:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks ^_^ Ok... yeah, when I created it I only put the infobox in first

[edit] Notability

Have you read the notability criteria? In order to meet them, a subject must be discussed in independent references that confirm its importance. In the case of a local restaurant like Pizza Shoppe, that means, not the yellow pages, and not even the kinds of local restaurant reviews that all restaurants get, but articles that clearly show why this restaurant is so important that an international encyclopedia is incomplete without an article about it. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

But it has World-famous dressing... CloversMallRat (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pizza Shoppe

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Pizza Shoppe, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Pizza Shoppe. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

The dressing is famous, makes it notable... CloversMallRat (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if the dressing is famous, that might be an assertion of notability. So all you need to do is find articles about the dressing in two or three food magazines, and add them as references. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Food magazines? you mean online? CloversMallRat (talk) 21:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Ideally, yes- most print magazines have web pages, and many make articles available. All articles need good, independent references, like books, newspapers, and magazines. Have any books been written about this restaurant? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:24, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Better Get to Livin'

The song may indeed be her "comeback" single (notwithstanding that she charted two duets in 2006), but really, what else is there to say about it besides that it got to #48 and that a music video was made? The page on Better Get to Livin' is a permanent stub, and per WP:MUSIC's criteria for song pages, it would be best to just merge the information to Backwoods Barbie — that's common procedure for marginally notable songs. (By the way, it's best to always use an edit summary, especially when doing something like undoing a redirect.) Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 14:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry CloversMallRat (talk) 17:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)