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[edit] Pamela Paul - St. Albert Alderman?

Hi Cloveious,

I notice in the article on Pamela Paul-Zobaric you stated that she served as an alderman in St. Albert. Since one of my current activities is an article on St. Albert City Council, including its past membership, I was wondering if you could direct me to a source on that. I'd appreciate any help you can provide.Sarcasticidealist 10:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] [edit] Joseph Clarke

Thanks for pointing that out. I will keep a more sharper eye out next time. Regards. Wiki Raja 14:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saskatchewan electoral history

Hi. I noticed that you put in the names and ridings of elected MLAs for early Saskatchewan elections back in 2005 and I wanted to know where you found this information. I’ve been trying to figure out what riding each premier represented for the List of Saskatchewan premiers. Thanks. --Arctic Gnome 20:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 5th Northwest Territories Legislative Council

Wondered if you could help here. Abe Okpik was appointed in 1965 to the Northwest Territories Council or Northwest Territories Territorial Council and in 1968 Simonie Michael was elected. References for both are here and they were both the first Inuit to achieve this. Would this have been the 5th Council or some other body. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Then I guess that "Northwest Territories Council" should remain a redlink until the article is created. I also just noticed that in Northwest Territories general election, 1967, Northwest Territories general election, 1964 and probably others, that there are redlinks to "6th Northwest Territories Council" and "5th Northwest Territories Council". Should they not link to 6th Northwest Territories Legislative Council and 5th Northwest Territories Legislative Council? Thanks too for the kind words on the Okpik article. It started because someone edited Inuit language to say that Project Surname was disliked. But from what I recall most people were and still are positive about it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I have to take responsibility for that, when I was creating the stubs of the Legislative council, I forgot to update the links to the proper titles from the elections. --Cloveious 04:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do I?

Hi Cloveious,

I am new to this. Is there a way to send you a private email?

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.186.134.133 (talk) 06:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Yes just use the "E-mail this user" on the "toolbox" --Cloveious 06:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


I created an account to make that option available, now I get this:

"This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users."

[edit] James Arreak

After a bit of searching it appears that there are two, one is the MLA and the other is a Pastor. If you look at these you can see that this man does not look like the pictures linked to from the James Arreak article. It's fairly clear that the MLA nad the Mayor picture are the same man. If you also check this it mentions a 2004 report about the 36 year old Arreak. That makes the 1968 birthdate correct but for the Pastor. I removed the bit from his article about being born in 1968 an active in the church. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1st Council of the Northwest Territories

I noticed that you have been doing considerable work involving the above article. I was checking the blue links there for possible links to the Dictionary of Canadian Biography — DoCB Initiative where I spend some time. Anyway, I discovered a number of blue links that are the wrong people and flagged the ones I checked. If you are interested, or know someone else who is; the article needs some disambiguation work. Just a hopeful suggestion and keep editing! --Stormbay 03:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

    • I noted your lack of info for a number of years...maybe you will need to have hard copies sent from the NWT government and enter them yourself...a big job! Thanks for your reply and Good Luck with your ambitious project. --Stormbay 22:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] warning

I have removed material from Hung Pham that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 07:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Updated DYK query On 5 August 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Unwin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 20:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Northwest Territories capital cities

Unfortunately, the above article really isn't even remotely within the remit of the Biography project. I think probably the best way to go would be to get a peer review and/or directly apply for FA status. I am going to remove it from the Biography A-Class review section, as the people who review articles there aren't really experts in history or urban studies, which seem to be the primary subjects of this article. I am going to try to offer a peer review, though, for whatever help that may be. John Carter 15:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Labrador

"The borders of Labrador came into being when Newfoundland joined the confederation" That much is not true, because there was a border adjustment between Quebec and Labrador while Newfoundland was still a division. The question is, was that when the border reached that far inland, or did Newfoundland always claim the deeper border than the "Coasts of Labrador"? I touch on this shortly in Territorial evolution of Canada and welcome suggestions on how to treat it. --Golbez 22:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My edit

Hi, I reverted your edit you made in Ray Thomas (politician), I know its weird but Norman Jaques is actually the correct spelling. --Cloveious 12:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll be more careful next time then. Arienh4(Talk) 12:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries/minor edit box

Hi Cloveious, I really like all of the grunt work you do in ficking links and ensuring adherance to wikistyle in succession boxes and the like (especially since a lot of the time I'm the only who but in the improperly-styled boxes). A small request: could you make more extensive use of edit summaries and/or the "minor edit" feature? I ask because you quite often fix articles that I have on my watchlist (which is great), but it's a little tedious to check all of the changes when they're all the kind of fix it edit that I don't really need to check. Make sense? Thanks. Sarcasticidealist 19:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Athabasca University people

Thanks for your addition to the list! If you weren't aware, the list has been nominated to be featured. Your feedback would be appreciated. Thank you. Me-123567-Me 05:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Joseph Clarke and the 1902 Canadian federal election

Hi Cloveius,

You recently wrote on the above article that Clarke ran in the Canadian federal election, 1902; of course, there was no such election. I've edited the paragraph to instead say it was a 1902 by-election, which I assume is what you meant, but if you actually meant the Canadian federal election, 1904 or something, please go ahead and change it.

Thanks for your diligent election research, as always. Sarcasticidealist 18:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Special Barnstar
For all your work on the Nunavut/NWT elections and politicians. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 01:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Ernest Emerson

Attempts to have this egregious bit of puffery deleted have been stymied at every point latterly by an Admin. Would you please support the request for the AdD reinstatement at her page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fang_Aili#Ernest_Emerson_Deletion Thanks Albatross2147 04:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Owen Hughes

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[edit] Ged Baldwin

Please note that the rule on Wikipedia is most commonly recognized name of the topic, not necessarily full name. For example, "Gerald Baldwin" was always known as Ged Baldwin and almost never as Gerald. Similarly, article titles should almost never contain middle names that aren't generally known to the public — even if you have to disambiguate a person from something else, "John Smith (politician)" is the preferred title format on Wikipedia, not "John Nobody-Knows-His-Middle-Name-is-Michael-But-We're-Gonna-Use-it-Anyway Smith". Bearcat 05:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, "John Michael (Jack) Smith" is even more out-of-the-question as an article title. In a case like that, if he's so commonly known as "Jack" that the title needs to have Jack in it to make sense to most readers, then the article gets titled "Jack Smith". Bearcat 05:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
It was just a random example. Bearcat 06:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lena Pederson and Red Pedersen

I was wondering if you had any other information on Lena and Red? I noticed this edit earlier and it got me wondering. I know that Red Pedersen had a wife (no valid source) called "Lena" but I'm not sure if it's the same person as Lena Pederson. The sources you gave definitely show her as "Pederson" but I also came across this which is obviously the same person as Lena Pederson. I also found that in the Elections NWT archive from 2003 that the name was spelt "Pedersen". There are several others that I found that seem to indicate "Pedersen", however a search for the spelling of the boarding home makes it more confusing. There are a few references to the boarding home being "Peterson" which is wrong but that spelling is used in the same Hansard that spells it "Pederson". There is almost no references to "Lena Pedersen Boarding Home" and not much more to "Lena Pederson Boarding Home". I've asked another editor that lives in Yellowknife to see what the spelling is if they have the time. I'm also looking for a book which should be here that might help. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes you are right, names have changed over time and still do. It started with Abe Okpik and continues today with Peter Irniq and others. I do recall that at first it was difficlut for me to keep things straight when you have five brothers who all have different surnames. In this case though it's a married name and shouldn't have changed, especially as Red Pedersen is not originally from the north. I asked a Yellowknife based editor if he knew what the boarding home actually used and he found that the GNWT also uses both here and here. It turns out I'll be in Yellowknife at the end of the week so I'll see if I can get a picture of the home or the van with the name on it. For the most part there are little here in the local library for resources, they have an good selection of older books but little that covers the new things. Of course in either case most of the information was written by outsiders. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Cloveious. Seeking your feedback on the Red Pedersen talk page regarding his name. Thank you. Rosiestephenson 20:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
While I was in YEllowknife I wandered past the boarding home. It only has a sign saying "Kitikmeot Boarding Home". However, the van they use says "Lena Pedersen" on it but I couldn't get a picture of it. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAC

How are things on the GAC? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured List of the Day Experiment

There have been a series of proposals to initiate a Featured List of the Day on the main page. Numerous proposals have been put forth. After the third one failed, I audited all WP:FL's in order to begin an experiment in my own user space that will hopefully get it going. Today, it commences at WP:LOTD. Afterwards I created my experimental page, a new proposal was set forth to do a featured list that is strikingly similar to my own which is to do a user page experimental featured list, but no format has been confirmed and mechanism set in place. I continue to be willing to do the experiment myself and with this posting it commences. Please submit any list that you would like to have considered for list of the day in the month of January 2008 by the end of this month to WP:LOTD and its subpages. You may submit multiple lists for consideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:02, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elections NWT

It will probably be a while before I go again. You might try User:YK Times as I think he lives there or on the Yellowknife talk page. I'll let you know if I am going though. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 12:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't personally get one, though I will check around at work, as I think we have one floating around somewhere. -YK Timestalk 16:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't know these are what you were looking for, but I think they may be of some use: Image:NWT 2008 Election Order.jpg (Saundra Arberry, NWT chief electoral officer and NWT commissioner Tony Whitford sign election order for the 2008 territorial election in his office), and Image:NWT Election Office.jpg (Yellowknife city councillor Lydia Bardak stands outside of the Elections NWT office in Centre Square Mall). —Preceding unsigned comment added by YK Times (talk • contribs) 00:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] An Invite to join Saskatchewan WikiProject

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[edit] NWT electoral districts

Can you check out Monfwi and others to see if they look OK. I was planning to add just the communities in the district and fix the references due to them having been moved. As I was updating other parts I found that in 1999 and 2003 the percentages for each candidate were based on only the valid votes. However, in 2007 the percentages were based on the total number of votes, including the rejected and declined ballots. This means that the percentage line in the "Total Valid Ballots" for 2007 is less than 100%. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 01:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Harry Alger

Articles about politicians should always state their affiliation! --Orange Mike | Talk 18:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I offended you; I certainly didn't mean to be patronizing in any way. I was trying to help. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alberta ministers

Thanks! And yeah, I saw your list, which is what inspired me to get mine going (that and a desire to fill out the succession portions of the infoboxes of ministers I was writing). I'm mostly going through old Hansards and Alberta Journals, which is slow work. Unfortunately, the links in the article you did (to the cabinet appointments at Our Future Our Past) no longer seem to be active, which is a shame, because those would have been really useful. Cheers, Sarcasticidealist (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and feel free to contribute to it. Also, if you have any thoughts about how it should be organized, please let me know (some of the decisions I've made about what portfolios to file under what headings have been kind of arbitrary, and I'm not really married to any of them - if only they didn't keep changing the names of the various portfolios). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Uncivil comments

Please read WP:BLP to understand the edits that I made to John Babcock. My edits were not snarky, and you would do well to understand that everything you submit to a biography of a living person will be closely scrutinized. I cannot read your mind or garner information from sources that you do not provide. I criticized your adding of information that was not supported by the sources that you provided, and rightly so. If you cannot handle constructive criticism and plan on taking them all as hostility, perhaps editing Wikipedia should not be your hobby of choice. We all make mistakes, from Jimbo Wales down to the newest Wikipedia editor. If you take it as a personal attack rather than assistance, you won't get very far. After three years of editing, you should acknowledge that much. Cheers, CP 08:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

To answer your comments in the order that they arrived: Firstly, per WP:EDITSUMMARY, the better description I can give of my edits, the better it is for the community. "Integrate new information and remove things not covered by reference (it does not say that Harper visited him, nor does it say that he wrote a letter)" is exactly what I did followed by exactly what I removed. The only way that is snarky is if one is pre-determined to see it as an attack. What, exactly, should I have put in my edit summary that would have been equally informative but less "snarky"? Secondly, your hobby is very much my business if it intersects (or interferes) with my duty to administrate Wikipedia. Third, I can't ban you, only the community can do that. Fourthly, WP:BLP easily trumps WP:AGF - all material on biographies on living people must be sourced, period. If it's not available in a reliable source that you can cite, then you shouldn't be including it until you can. If we just "assumed" that all material could be sourced somewhere, Wikipedia's reputation would fall apart even more than it already has. Cheers, CP 13:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)