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[edit] Sobre el Ferré

Hola Victor, soy peruano y si hay fuentes al respecto, la baja del Ferre se hizo oficial hace no mucho, via resolucion suprema, es por ello que decidi modificar el articulo, aqui esta la fuente:

Resolucion de baja del Ferre

Saludos.--Cloudaoc 15:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Gracias por el dato, voy a agregar la fuente como nota a pie de página. Saludos, --Victor12 19:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PERU

Unirse es muy fácil, solo tienes que agregar tu nombre al final de esta lista. Sobre cómo puedes ayudar, hay una lista de tareas en Template:PeruNews. Saludos, --Victor12 04:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] BAP Antofagasta (SS-32)

Hola, acabo de ver tu edicion al artículo sobre el BAP Antofagasta. ¿Estás seguro que este es un Tipo 209/1100? Las fuentes que he revisado son contradictorias, algunas dicen que los seis Tipo 209 peruanos son 1200 y otras dicen que los dos primeros son de hecho 1100. Ahora si te fijas en las fechas, el Antofagasta fue el cuarto 2009 en entrar en servicio con la Marina peruana. ¿Significa eso que los cuatro primeors son 1100? ¿Tienes alguna fuente al respecto? --Victor12 (talk) 01:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Estoy bien seguro de ello, como que los he visto personalmente en la Base Naval (a algunos los conozco por dentro) y como puse, las diferencias son mínimas, en realidad la única diferencia visible es el bulbo que contiene al sonar que esta en la proa, los 1100 no tienen ese bulbo (porque su sonar es distinto), y te diré la verdad que inclusive Janes Fighting Ships solo dice que los 2 últimos son 1200, pero no dice que el resto lo sea, confía en mi, yo se lo que estoy escribiendo. Saludos y que hayas pasado una Feliz Navidad! PD.- Sobre las fechas,las 2 ultimas son incorrectas, pero aun no encuentro una fecha consecuente con las fechas reales.Cloudaoc (talk) 02:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Ya encontré las fechas, y los 1100 son el Islay y el Arica, la fuente es este foro: Submarinos clase 209 MGP - Foro PeruDefensa, lo corregire de inmediato, Saludos! --Cloudaoc (talk) 02:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fotos buques peruanos

Hola Soy italiano y he escrito sobre la Clase Lupo en italiano y espanol y de los buques de la clase carvajal y de la clase mariscal Sucre. Me gusta escribir de buques de armadas de latino america y con el permiso del webmaster del foro base naval he ido a subir en commons las fotos de BAP Grau y BAP Aguirre, pero fueron borradas porquè me fueròn contestadas. Por suerte he visto que tu has ido a subir las fotos de BAP Aguirre y BAP Capitan Quinones. La foto de BAP Aguirre he ido a subirla en commons. Tienes otras fotos be BAP Grau? Si es posible puedes subir las fotos de los viejos destructores peruanos BAP Palacios y Bap Aguirre y del destructor ex holandes BAP Coronel Bolognesi? Tienes fotos de actual BAp Aguirre y actual Quinones. Si las tienes por favor puedes subirlas en commons? Perdoname poe mi pobre espanol y un abrazo latino--Gaetano56 (talk) 18:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hola Gaetano! Si vi las imágenes que subiste del foro Base Naval (yo también posteo allí), el problema es que esas fotos pertenecen al archivo de la MGP, es por ello que el administrador de dicho foro no puede otorgar el permiso de usar fotos que no le pertenecen, si tengo fotos del Grau (algunas muy buenas) pero no las puedo subir sin el permiso de sus autores (en esas ando), también tengo fotos de los destructores Friesland (esas si las voy a subir pronto) no te preocupes por el español, esta muy bien (yo no hablo italiano) y tratare de subir mas fotos, pero te puedo preguntar ¿porque a Commons? Fotos de las Lupo ex-MMI también tengo algunas mías que también subiré pronto, a ver si nos ponemos en contacto, saludos y gracias por el mensaje! --Cloudaoc (talk) 04:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Fotos de buques peruanos

He leido lo que has escrito y te pido de subirlas en commons porquè asì se pueden subirlas tambien en it:wiki y en es:wiki Has visto en it:wiki mi trabajo de clase Lupo? en es:wiki he dado tambien mi contribuccion y en especial he creado clase Mariscal Sucre y los buques de Clase Mariscal Sucre. Si las tienes las fotos y puedes subirlas muy gracias. Porque no escribes tambien en es:wiki?--Gaetano56 (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] DISCULPAS DE MOTICAN

OKAY, DISCULPAME ME PUSE DE MAL HUMOR. I AM SORRY. TU ERES MI COMPRATIOTA Y NO TE DEBI TRATAR ASI. BUENO ESPERO NO MAS QUE NUESTRA FUERZA AREA SE SIGAN PONIENDO LAS PILAS Y PONGAN A NUESTROS AVIONES LISTOS PARA PELEAR SI ES QUE NOS VAMOS A LA GUERRA CON CHILE.

ME DA GUSTO QUE NUESTROS AVIONES SE SIGUEN MODERNIZANDO, NUESTRO EJERCITO, Y MARINA. BUENO DISCULPAME OTRA VEZ Y SI TE ENTERAS DE ALGO NUEVO ESCRIBEME A CESAR.OTOYA@YAHOO.COM.

SALUDOS Y QUE VIVA EL PERU POR SIEMPRE!!!!!!

[edit] Fotos

Hola! Tienes fotos de el crucero Aguirre? Yo he escrito algo en Italiano de ese buque peruano. Mi interes sobre buques peruanos es porquè un mi barco la fragata Lupo ahora es peruanos y renombrado Palacios. Yo he escrito en italiano de todas las lupo, tambien las peruanas y las de Venezuela. He escrito tambien en italiano de los cruceros Grau y Aguirre y estoy escribiendo de los cruceros Capitán Quiñónes y Coronel Bolognesi. Tienes tambien fotos de estos buques en la Armada Peruana? Yo tengo solamente fotos de estos buques en la Royal Navy. Si las tienes puedes cargarlas en commons asì puedo cargarlas en la wiki Italia? Muchas Gracias--Gaetano56 (talk) 21:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Peruvian steam frigates of the 1850s

Were the 1850s steam frigates BAP Callao and the BAP Apurimac the same ship? The following website suggests that they were not, but the Spanish wikipedia article on BAP Apurimac says that Apurimac was renamed Callao for a while and then reverted to Apurimac. More old Peruvian ships, page 4, two of the best ships of the 1850s --Toddy1 (talk) 20:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the frigates Apurimac and Callao are the same ship; the Apurimac was briefly renamed in the Ecuadorian Campaign (the prefix BAP appears in the XX century), Juan del Carpio is a Peruvian naval historian and his works (mainly books) are excellent sources, but his web is a little chaotic and as far I know, the title of the page TWO OF THE BEST SHIPS OF THE 1850´S is the origin of the confusion. The Spanish Wiki is right. Greetings --Cloudaoc (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About the Covadonga article

Hi Melromero, look, the version of the Covadonga defeating the Independencia appears mainly (and only) in Chilean sources, your affirmation "all sources" is incorrect, because the facts are simple and clear: The Covadonga tried to escape, the Independencia unable score a hit with her artillery try to ram the schooner according to the orders dictated by the Peruvian Supreme Director of the War, MArianio Ignacio Prado, and the frigate collide with a rock, without intervention of the Covadonga, in fact some newspapers of that time called Condell "El Heroe de la Casualidad" (A Lucky Hero...) and the reports of More, Grau and the memories of Andres A. Caceres, and inclusive Chilean NAvy website affirms that was luck and not the power of the schooner who sealed the fate of the Peruvian frigate... (Besides, the mentioned website affirms than the Independencia surrenders, and that is also false, the frigate never low his colours, the flag was derribed by shots of the Chilean naval fusiliers, but this was soon rised again by an young sailor named Federico Navarrete).

Wikipedia is not a place of absurd nationalism, the Covadonga never have a chance to defeat the Independencia, it was luck, not power, who gave the victory to the Chilean Navy. Greetings and i hope you understand, if you speak spanish we can continued this talk in that language --Cloudaoc (talk) 01:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. The point is not well taken. I agree that this is not a place for nationalisms. The fact that I'm Chilean does not mean that I'm defending a moot point. The fact is that if you take the time to read the Peruvian (and some Bolivian) historiographers, you'll find that the concensus is that the Independencia was "lured" into the shallow waters where it eventually struck bottom and sunk. More (I did his article, by the way, since I'm an admirer of him), is not a reliable witness in the matter. His report was drawn to excuse himself mostly. Grau was not present and had to rely on More's word for his report. Caceres was not even there, but in Arica. I think you should check Basadre's version, or better still there was a series of articles published in book form by the Naval Circle of Peru in the 80's that are based on previously unpublished testimonies from survivors (I own quite a few, but since I'm far away from my sources right now, I'm only quoting you from memory...) The sources seem to agree that Condell had one of the former Iquique "practicos" on board (the "practico" as you may well know, was the man in charge of acquainting himself with the underwater seabed near a major port, in order to navigate the ships that came in and out in order to prevent their getting stuck in unknown waters). If that is true (no two source agrees on the name of the "practico", which seems odd...), then the destruction of the Independencia was not a "lucky moment".
When I refer to all sources, I refer mostly to all "credible" sources, specially primary sources, or Peruvian or Bolivian historiographers (like Querejazu, who has written what for me is the best account of the war.) I don't take into account any website or (sad to say) most Chilean accounts, since they are notoriously unreliable. Mel Romero (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC)