User talk:Closenplay

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[edit] Thanks!

For all the work on Go-go. It looks great --AW 21:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] dylan-Kurtis Blow

Hi - can I ask you why you are deleting this all over the place - on a very quick check, here's one ref: http://www.oldschoolhiphop.com/records/kingdomblow.htm and there are lots of others. And the Bob Dylan Encyclopedia is not a bogus reference (but was the wrong page: correct p is 63) -- is there a problem that isn't apparent about including this? I don't know about Debra Byrd or Wayne Garfield, but Dylan recorded a song with Kurtis Blow. Tvoz |talk 18:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I was already responding when you updated this comment to include the correct page number, but that doesn't really change what I wrote on your talk page. Closenplay 18:56, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah - as I said I don't know anything about Byrd or Garfield, and I don;t disagree with your thinking if that's what's going on here (but I have no idea) - I was just verifying that Dylan recorded the song with Blow and I think it is definitely something of interest to Dylan readers that he was on a rap song and of interest to Kurtis Blow readers that Dylan was on one of his songs. What I did on the various pages (before getting your note) was to ask for citation about Garfield/Byrd - I'm inclined to leave it that way for now and if it's not forthcoming remove that part. Does that work for you? Tvoz |talk 19:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, just read your note more carefully - I see what you're saying. Tvoz |talk 19:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Fine with me. Tvoz |talk 19:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear TVOZ and Closenplay: I appreciate your comments with regard to the aforementioned Byrd/Garfield connection to Bob Dylan's foray into rap music of which Ms. Byrd and myself were "shepherds", if you will. It was an endeavor that was considerably difficult for she and I to pull off at the time, but Mr. Dylan graciously interrupted his own recording schedule to contribute to Mr. Blow's project at his Topanga Valley, CA., studio. In fact, the Dylan/Blow collaboration actually became a trend-setting move for both rap music and hip-hop marketing, which began with the "Walk This Way" collaboration between Aerosmith and Run-DMC. FYI, for purposes of unimpeachable verfication, I suggest that you consult the Polygram product management department or marketing department and request verfication of the album credit: "Bob Dylan's performance was furnished through the special efforts of Wayne Garfield and Debra Byrd".

If interested, please feel free to visit my website at www.waynegarfield.com for more information on my history and contributions in the contemporary music and entertainment fields. There you will find (among other things) that in 1979, I originated the first U.S., government-funded Recording Industry Training Program for economically-disadvantaged youth and young adults. The program was based in New York City and developed by The Institute Of New Cinema Artists, Inc., whose founder/president was the late, great actor/activist, Ossie Davis. Rap music and fashion mogul, Russell Simmons, hired his first employee, Heidi Smith, from this program and graduate, Vincent Davis (Vintertainment Records/Elektra), became the industry's first record producer to release a record containing a sample ("2-3 Break" by the B-Boys). Thank you. WKG—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.54.146 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for proving my point that all of your additions to Wikipedia are about you and all of your achievements. Good luck with that. Closenplay 18:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Limp Records rules!

Hi, I run :30 Under DC and I was pleasantly surprised to find that you'd created a Limp Records page here...I'll dig up all those runout etchings you asked for. Just shoot me an email (it's splashed all over 30underdc.com) if you don't hear from me soon...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.112.97 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Very cool! I actually used your site to fill in the blanks from my own collection. I meant to include a link but I spaced. Since I'm asking all these favors, can you get a high-res scan (300 dpi) of the Limp logo on the Nightman 7"? I'd love to be able to add that to the logo gallery. And check out the Black Market Baby article. I started it but don't know the band that well; I'm sure you could fill in some blanks there. Thanks! Closenplay 23:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I've uploaded some Slickee Boys stuff to 30underdc.com/wiki for you to use. The photographers are all unknown. I haven't dug out my records yet. If you want to use any cover scans or flyers from THUD or Senselessofferings.com here, you have my permission. Photos are different...shoot me an email if there are any you want to use.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.112.97 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thanks! Those are some great pix. Thanks for your assistance. I have to go through my collection and see if there's anything that you needed info on (I do have the Strange Alliance LP--have to check that for the catalog # for you.) Closenplay 13:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
List of Limp records run-out groove messages moved to Limp Records talk page by Closenplay 21:29, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Second list of Limp records run-out groove messages moved to Limp Records talk page by Closenplay 20:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again! Closenplay 20:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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Oops, forgot to include that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Closenplay (talk • contribs) 20:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Slickee1.jpeg

It needs a replaceable fair use rationale, which was the issue last time. In other words, it needs a reason why a free image (one that you took yourself of the band at a concert, for instance) could not be used to serve the same purpose in the article as the fair use image. You could say "this band doesn't tour anymore, and so getting a picutre of them together is impossible and there are no other free images out there" and be done with it, if that's the case. This is often the case with pictures of old broken-up bands. Grandmasterka 21:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] suggestions/improvements

hey,

i've done a good bit of work updating info for my college and our unfortunate friend on the north shore (gordon college, whose article was tagged with like 3 different things and then someone removed a lot of useful info. a long with the ad-like info.) to make their articles a balance of informative but neutral. thanks for the input, bro, i guess i got carried away on enc! i changed some stuff and removed the ad tag -- most things i changed were wording issues and not being fair and balanced with some things, like faculty, so i'd like to hear if you have any specifics. can you make some more suggestions on stuff to fix? i do a lot of editing myself (though i'm pretty new to wikipedia) so i know how helpful and good it is to have more than one perspective. i'd welcome your help in making articles have a more "npov" as they say. i hope you don't think it's weird that i'm asking for your opinion, though, haha.

alain poutre —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepoutre (talk • contribs) 17:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, I've really gotten lazy about citations, source criticism, all that good stuff. I wonder, though, when one is looking at a college's wiki article, what kind of information they're interested in reading about. I'll check out some other articles. Wouldn't a reader want to know about programs, or should that be reserved for promotional materials, and this article should just provide contact information for those who want to know more? I'm just wondering the audience, since Wikipedia is far more comprehensive and vast, it seems, than your average encyclopedia, and people might want to have access to information they wouldn't get otherwise. What do you think? Again, thanks for the help; I love getting others' opinions on things.
-- alain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepoutre (talk • contribs) 18:40, 25 May 2007(UTC)
Hey I just checked Encyclopedia Britannica and, along with some badly-researched material (like the founding date of 1918), they list majors. I'll make it a little less overwhelming, though.
-- alain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepoutre (talk • contribs) 18:54, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
hey thanks for your help! i appreciate it tons. i realise that the fact that i went to enc helps me know more about it, but hurts me in making the info objective. i hope i didn't undo any edits you made -- i just remembered one and changed it back. we can always talk more about it, too, of course! thanks again!
-- alain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepoutre (talk • contribs) 21:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
haha thanks again. i undid a couple of things you changed, mostly because, as far as i can tell, what i originally wrote is accurate and the history doesn't seem to me to contradict the lapham/n. scituate page. i actually have the first cameron book in my living room and have started reading it, and will start referencing more precisely. other things i know just because i'm an alumnus, but i'll try to keep those things to a minimum -- enc isn't exactly a well-publicized school, haha. good call with the notable people/alumni and all -- i'll reference those better, too. i can understand your rationale. i gotta thank that one person for undoing the lame vandalism recently, too. you've been such a help! honestly. i'll try to get some pics of the campus, too. any advice is always welcome, so keep it up as long as you have time!
-- alain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aepoutre (talk • contribs) 21:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Billboard

No problem. You're right, the Billboard website should have everything, but it doesn't (probably not even if you pay the 8 trillion dollar membership fee). Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 19:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi. Thanks for helping me in keeping my school's page tidy. But 1 thing i notice is that you tried to change the translation of the school song. I was thinking of making it italic as it is a translation, after all. If you are interested, you can visit my website. I took most of my information from there to update this wiki page. Oh ya, the word is 'Malaysian', not 'Malaisian'. Thanks anyway. Hanchenlee 17:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep, I typoed. (I kan spel, rilly.) Closenplay 18:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Haha!ok. So what element that is missing in the article anyway? Hanchenlee 18:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Label Records

Hello. Quick note... {{db-repost}} is for AFD articles only. Articles that were deleted from a PROD or a CSD should be tagged with something other than db-repost. I changed it to db-advert. ~a (user • talk • contribs) 17:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University of Dayton Ghetto

On May 30, 2007, you added several (completely justified) tags to the article University of Dayton Ghetto regarding its lack of references and unencyclopedic content. I have nearly completed a total overhaul of the page, and was wondering if you could take another look. I don't know the procedure of removing these tags, whether I can do it or whether you need to. Also, any further suggestions would be helpful. Thanks! Newsboy85 19:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

One other thing - there is an IP, 167.230.38.115, which keeps adding back the arbitrary names of some houses. How do I go about blocking him or her from editing University of Dayton Ghetto? Newsboy85 20:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with removing all of the houses altogether, but based on the fact that everyone else keeps adding them back (including the recent anonymous IP) I thought I would leave it to additional discussion. As for sources, I'll do some digging. It's not really something I'll find a book on, but I may be able to find some additional information in university press releases or in the Dayton Daily News. But not today. Newsboy85 21:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I didn't know how to add a comment, or collapse the references, so thanks for taking care of those. As for pictures, I should be able to find some fairly easily. If I have any trouble uploading them, I'll send a message your way. Thanks again. Newsboy85 03:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mistle Thrush

Its nothing personal, Johnny. I am sure your band was great. But Wikipedia is for reference, a step higher than high school year books. PS From WP:SPA guidelines There is, of course, nothing inherently wrong with single-purpose accounts. They can even happen when a new user registers simply in order to start a particular article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Toonot (talk • contribs) 22:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC).

No sweat (though my name isn't Johnny); but Mistle Thrush was not my band (I did see them live two or three times). (I am also not Tommy Keene, nor was I ever in DMZ, The Slickee Boys or Crack the Sky—some other artists I've done a lot of editing on and created articles related to.) Unlike some editors here, I don't feel the need to insert myself into Wikipedia. Of course there's nothing wrong with single-purpose accounts, I never said there was. It's just a little fishy when someone signs up just to tear down a bunch of related articles. Tell you what I'm going to do, I'll leave those tags you put up (except for the ones you stuck on the template—that's just overkill). Please leave comments on the talk pages for each of those articles (here, here, and here) elaborating on why you feel they're not notable. I'll do the same, explaining why I think they are. Or, if you feel that strongly about their lack of notability, you could list them in AfD. The easy-to-follow instructions for that are here. Closenplay 00:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Drop Shipping

Material on drop shipping benefits is copyright by Drop Ship Professor and now may not be used at all on Wikipedia without a link or other proper citation. If you continue to add this material legal action will be taken. You have been warned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramprof (talk • contribs) 23:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Merit (band)

It doesn't look as though it will pass the AfD, unfortunately. I'm sorry I put the wheels in motion. Do you have any additional references that would be helpful in re-creating the article if it doesn't pass? Not immediately, you know, but soon. Do they have anything planned coming up (a new record or tour)? And I found a number of mentions online referring to a quote from the Village Voice but couldn't find the original; do you have any idea where that came from (issue date, was it a gig review, CD, or what)? Again, I am truly sorry to have started the AfD. Closenplay 01:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey mate no hard feelings. I generally don't get into band articles here because I know what kind of issues they cause. Seems like this one could go either way, and if it does get though, I do understand that it's just scraping in. The band does have some great reviews from publishers on their site, however I can't find them when doing online searches to cite.
I'd love to keep the article here but as it hasn't received a lot of contribs from others I guess I'm on my own. Anyway, the band does have a good following on myspace and reverbnation so they are getting their music out on other channels.
Btw can you review another band for me; Render (band). I put this up but a while ago, but now that I'm into Wiki more and understand the inclusion policies better I think it should go. Satisy the deletionist in us all ;) --Bren talk 06:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar
Saw all the work you do on music articles and you deserve a barnstar! Thanks for keeping your cool in the AfD I was involved in. You actually got me hooked on AfD discussions now (yet another wiki-task to keep my social life away. --Bren talk 13:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting Key West Citizen! It's been the target of a lot of deletion vandalism lately, but thanks to people like you, Wikipedia has stayed on top of it. JKBrooks85 15:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Speedy Delete Tags

Great work regarding your speedy delete tags - for example Achille Perilli etc - but can I ask that you please cut the prod message on each of these tags and place the warning on the original editors page. This will give that editor a chance to place the hang-on message. Best wishes --VS talk 09:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  • That's cool Closenplay - the Bot will come and do it - but if you do then it just makes the job of administration easier (in terms of editors have a chance to adjust their new work and they don't so often complain to us). As I said keep up the great work.--VS talk 09:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
  • you're hating on achille perilli as well? I was working on that section. There's a ton of information about him on the web (go look it up), including a lengthy entry on other versions of wikipedia. check out the entry on him here. clearly i'm in the minority. enjoy your club. --oliverdanielj 13:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ray-L page?

I am confused... I have not deleted or blocked anything just updated and produced the page accordingly. Everything is correct, cited and put together so I am unsure what you are talking about. Please let me know as I took the time out to complete the page and everything else.

--egeiz (Talk) June 29, 2007 (7:12 AM EST)

Alright I understand now, thanks and sorry for removing it.

--egeiz

[edit] Who made you an art critic?

Looking over the comments below, it looks like you have a rather nasty habit of flagging artistic content as being, "not noteworthy." i posted three articles about modern artists and you flagged all three as un-noteworthy. they're clearly classified under artists by nationality.

One could classify Claus Oldenberg or Bruce Naumann as not noteworthy, if one were so inclined. I wouldn't, but one could, if one were so inclined.

Your actions are illogical since the artists i posted about are clearly not represented anywhere on this site and yet have obvious talent.What's your problem with increasing the content of wikipedia with information about these artists? it seems you're being un-reasonable and narrow minded.

If you're really on a tear, go flag the Achille Perilli page on the German wikipedia too.

Sounds like you should probabtly stick to minding your own business and policing subjects you know something about, huh?
K Thanks Bye! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliverdanielj (talk • contribs) 13:21, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

my response. Closenplay 17:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just WHO do YOU think YOU are?

Obviously, 'Closenplay' thinks he knows something about Western Poison-oak, however, by his deletion of my "reliable facts", the article on Western Poison-oak is once again apocryphal and wildly inaccurate, simply because 'Closenplay' chose to be the editing God who is unafraid to show how little he actually knows about any one topic, and in particular, Western Poison-oak. He edits at will, simply because 'he can' and not because 'he knows'.

I've had a life threatening case of Western Poison-oak and all of the information that I've put into this article comes from hundreds of hours of research and consultation with the appropriate Medical Doctors, National Park Service and Forest Fire consultants. The reason that I was forced to do this research is that the article in Wikipedia about Western Poison-oak (that existed at that time) was full of tripe and non-factual old wives tales, none of which provide appropriate relief, nor are there any "reliable sources" to back up these misconceptions. I wished at that time that the article in Wikipedia had some useful information so I didn't have to suffer as long as I did and I swore that I would update it with 'useful' information, even if it contains the names of recommended products for treatment, which I do not sell, nor make any profit from. In fact, a friend on mine that recently transferred out to Berkeley, CA., got a bad case of Western Poison-oak and asked me what to do. I referred him over to the article that I left on Wikipedia as that had all the information that he needed, but he called me back saying that it contained nothing useful and that is when I realized that some idiot had removed the useful information (thinking himself a good samaritan, no doubt) and had left a bunch of useless and outdated information that is worthless to anyone.

After further probing, I found that the product names of Technu and Zandel existed on the "Urushiol-induced contact dermatitis" article and I wondered, why is it okay here, but not there? That's when I cleaned up this article with verifiable facts and condensed the information so that Wikipedia users don't have to follow so many links to get to the information they need. Isn't that what a GOOD encyclopedia is supposed to do?

I don't exactly appreciate hours of my work being deleted by uninformed knuckleheads like 'Closenplay', who chose to edit out all the facts and leave unverified tripe. In fact, some of my very own words remain, but they've been edited to the point that they're no longer accurate and are in need of reform. This type of editing is and should be considered VANDALISM, and the next person that deletes my supported entries will be reported for 'editing abuse', including VANDALISM. Got it?

Rahndo 16:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

my response. Closenplay 17:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rahndo's Rebuttal to Closenplay regarding Western Poison-oak.

I may not know all the wikipedia guidelines and for this, I apologize. Also for getting personal, however, hours of work went into this revision and believe me, until you've had Poison-oak, you don't realize just how PERSONAL it is.

I will not apologize, however, for the nature of your editing of information, particularly because you've edited this article (including my own words) until it's no longer accurate (factual) and the statements that you've left behind cannot be supported by any scientific or 'reliable sources'. So tell me, as I'm very interested to know, just where is all the other information in this article that is BACKED UP by references from reliable sources? You know, I don't see any. Maybe I'm missing something here but I don't see any footnotes or references anywhere. Most everything in the article that you left behind are old wives tales without any reliable sources or justification.

You may not be the first editor that was opposed to my adding product information, but again, these other editors have most likely NEVER HAD Poison-oak and know very little about it, for if they did, they would have realized the value of the 'reliable information' left behind for future victoms of Poison-oak that were looking for relief. One editor actually accused me of creating these links to make money, which is ridiculous, so I've removed the links and kept the information so that users can Google the product to get REAL information instead of using Wikipedia, even though Product information (Tecnu & Zanfel) is okay to display on the article entitled "Urushiol-induced contact dermatitis". Why the double standards?

You've already made the presumptuous assumption that the only reason that I've listed these products is that I happen to try them, or in your own words,.."Just because you tried different things and some worked for you isn't good enough; that's what Wikipedia calls "original research" and it's not permitted. If you can't find anything to back up your information, it doesn't belong in the article."

So that's YOUR opinion and as I said before, WHERE is all the other BACKUP for the previous misleading information in this article, such as using "alcohol" to wash the oil off. This 'home remedy' is so outdated and yet its allowed in Wikipedia without any reliable BACKUP? Please enlighten me. I don't see any information in this article with any reliable information to back it up, particularly, how YOU edited it. My guess is that your knowledge about the subject matter is reasonably scant and you seem more concerned with your duties of wiping out SPAM and removing useful NEW "unsubstantiated" information in lieu of OLD information that is APOCRYPHAL and WILDLY INACCURATE, having NO reliable information to back any of it up, either.

Every item that was incorrect has been corrected and every product that has been recommended comes from the recommendation of the Medical Community, the National Park Service, the Forest Service and the Fire Fighters that deal with this stuff everytime a fire breaks out in California. Should I throw the pamphlet out that the dermatologist provided me about Poison-oak/ivy and should I ignore the recommendations of my own Physician that have been stated in this article. Yes, I tried three of the products that I mentioned in my revised version, but at the recommendation of a Board Certified Physician and a Dermatologist as well as consulting with the aforementioned entities. Are you saying that previous versions and YOUR unsubstantiated version of Poison-oak anecdotes are more reliable than the written advice and prescriptions of Board Certified Physicians? What do I need to do to show that this information is reliable? I don't see any useful references anywhere in this article and I'm unaware about HOW to leave footnotes.

Tell me how and where to do it and I'd be happy to substantiate it. The fact is, that having nearly died from a Western Poison-oak forest fire last fall, I've spent hundreds of hours researching the topic and I now consider myself one of the leading authorities on this subject and will be publishing my own article on it, based on facts, not old wives tales. Such research doesn't come easily. As I said before, I think that people need to be able to go to Wikipedia and get USEFUL & reliable information about the subject, not outdated folklore, which equally has no references.

Finally, I don't really feel that you edited this article in "good faith" as you don't know the severity of this plant and you ended up "misquoting me" by changing the wording around. Nobody quotes ME but ME. You genuinely seem more concerned about making Wikipedia a safe, neutrally homogenous and SPAM free encyclopedia encased within the confines of its own rules instead of an editor that actually does research and provides helpful and vital information from the people who actually KNOW, for the people who actually NEED IT!

Your point has been noted but until you can provide the information that I've asked for, i.e. show reliable information sources for all the information in the previous edition and/or YOUR edition, the revised version stays, otherwise, I'll request that you provide reliable information to back up everything else in this article. Considering HOW you based your reasons for making YOUR edition, I don't think this is an unreasonable request.

24.231.194.72 19:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

my response. Closenplay 19:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Follow Up on unqualified Western Poison Oak Revisions

As requested, I've provided the "reliable information" sources in parenthesis. Actually, you should have READ the two already-existing External Links before making your "revisions" because if you did, you would have found out that your revisions weren't necessary and I am basing my material on factual sources. The External Links are;

American Academy of Dermatology - Poison Oak info http://www.aad.org/public/Publications/pamphlets/Poison_IvyOakSumac.htm

and

Toxicodendron Dermatitis: Identification, Immunologic Mechanisms, Diagnosis, and Treatment http://www.pesgce.com/toxicodendrondermatitis/derm.asp

The lotion that they discuss to block the effects of urushiol is 'Ivy Block', although they do not refer to it by name, but by the active compound that it contains.

They do not recommend washing with alcohol but with soap and water ASAP, and preferably Tecnu or Zanfel, and they do mention Product names.

They discuss the extremely long life (years) of oxidized urushiol, still an active irritant.

They discuss that although some people (approx. 15%) are immune to the urushiol chemical composition in Poison Ivy, they clearly mention that there is no immunity known to the longer chemical chains of urushiol found in Toxicodendron diversilobum (Western Poison-oak).

They discuss how the action of the product 'All Stop' works at the chemical level of quaternary ammonium compounds, although they do not necessarily mention the product by name but they do discuss the role of the effector T cells.

Hopefully this will put an end to our bickering back and forth as to whether you had the right to remove documented, reliable information, when you should have read the External Link references that already existed there to see if the information is indeed true.

As mentioned previously, I also have the written advise and prescriptions of Board Certified Physicians and the recommendations of the Park and Forest service, not hearsay.

Please READ the references before stating that there are NONE to support my editions to this article and then edit it incorrectly.

I hope that this completes this debate.

Rahndo 20:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

my response. Closenplay 21:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD attention request

Not sure if this is out of order, but there's a somewhat contentions AfD (here) that has received little outside attention. Since the AfD was initiated, a number of single purpose accounts (likely sockpuppets) have started editing (and discussing on the talk page) the article; not !voting, fortunately. In any case, I wanted to see if some AfD regulars could stop by and weigh in. I'm not looking to sway !votes here—I haven't targeted deletionists; I'm asking editors that seem to !vote a lot on music-related AfDs. No reply is necessary but your opinion is valued. Pr 2.0 13:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Esmée Denters

How is Esmée not notable? The video has received over 1 and a half million views, and "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." (WP:N). Please reply, as I'm still learning a little on notability of content. Thanks, -JacќяМ ¿Qué? 07:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I Guess so, but i was just trying to add to the list. It was just that the video had many views and Esmée is very popular there. -JacќяМ ¿Qué? 14:45, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] AfD nomination of ZEDO

An article that you have been involved in editing, ZEDO, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZEDO. Thank you. 69.68.125.6 (talk) 15:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jason Lytle

Thanks for your note. I will be happy to do what you want, unprotect the page and recreate it in a sandbox page for you, but I thought it would only be polite for me to contact the administrator who protected the page first, User:MZMcBride. I've left a note on his talk page and will get back to you when I hear from him. Sorry for the delay, and for your inconvenience; I'm happy to know that someone will make a notable and useful page. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

OMG, I'm sorry, it totally slipped what's left of my mind (I've been rather ill lately, not that that's an excuse). I've restored the entire history of the article; I can't find any talk page, but if you think there should be one, let me know. I hope this works out for you and thanks for being SO patient. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] One Chance

Hi. I noticed you removed the information I added to One Chance's page about their single Private. Your reason for doing so was because you believe Private was not released; I'm afraid you're wrong. Private was released here in the UK on CD Single (via special order) in the Autumn time - I know because I have it! Private promo'd accross many of the bigger R&B radio stations in the UK in the Summer, and featured heavy mainstream airplay by Choice FM. Although it didn't make it in to the UK Charts, the song was still popular in terms of R&B.

Look it up if you don't believe me! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olorinjoyce (talk • contribs) 00:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

my response. Closenplay (talk) 21:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. From doing a quick Google search, I've come up with the following links;

http://www.starpulse.com/Music/One_Chance/Discography/album/P697276/R868661/ http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/7294879/a/Private.htm http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,3792191,00.html

I'm not sure what exactly you would call a 'reliable source' but if you need more evidence on the matter, I will be more than happy to take a photo of the CD cover and upload it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olorinjoyce (talk • contribs) 23:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I've just noticed; if you go to One Chance's official web site and look in the bottom-left corner, you'll see the cover for Private, and if you go to the 'Media' section, you can see the single is clearly listed under their 'Discography'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olorinjoyce (talk • contribs) 23:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

my response. Closenplay (talk) 02:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)