Talk:Clive Caldwell

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Can we have an explanation for the term "aerial gunnery deflection" which appears in this article?

Perhaps military types could help out.

Thanks.

G.

--Gibberer 02:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 References 2 Infobox images 3 Recent additions 4 DFC and Bar 5 Highest scoring P40 pilot

[edit] References

At the very least the references should be accurate and complete, I can live with a notes and reference section. Bzuk 12:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

That's part of the point. The refs are not correct now. RAAF Historical Section authored Units of the Royal Australian Air Force, it's not part of the volume. And RAAF Darwin is a chapter of that volume. I'm not sure what your issue is with the cite book template, which is a simple way of rendering things consistently. Cheers, Ian Rose 15:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't note that, I will make the correction, as to the cite templates, they are based on an adaption of the APA (American Psychological Association) rather than the more common MLA (Modern Language Association) style guide. These templates were provided as a guide and the MLA style is often used by editors such as myself. Bzuk 16:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Infobox images

Insert image width (defaults to 180x180px if empty) is the recommended size for infoboxes although most editors choose 200px as a convenient standard. See other biographies- Charles Lindbergh, Amelia Earhart, Baron Von Richtofen. The reason for this size is to ensure that the image does not "stretch" the infobox too much and that it not overwhelm the page. The WP:Aircraft group also recommends that no "hardcoding" of image sizes occurs. Bzuk 13:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Fair enough. I'm not too fussed on that one, being one of those that tend to choose 200px for convenience, as you say. 250 was big but 150 looked a bit titchy... Cheers, Ian Rose 15:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent additions

Guys, coupla' quick questions...

• Bzuk, what exactly's your reasoning behind the sic in "[i]t's (sic) your life or theirs."?
• Grant, are we sure all of the citations attributed to p.25 of Alexander actually belong there? Pretty sure many do but it seems an awful lot for one page, I don't remember the typeface being that small...!

Cheers, Ian Rose 11:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Very minor point, and I am certainly not wedded to it but "t's" is a colloquialism and actually was first written as a correction [i]t's, and that is why I used (spelling incorrect- sic) as a standard designation when a nonstandard usage of a word appears. FWIW Bzuk 12:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC).

Yep, figured it must be the "[i]". Reckon [i]t's all Grant's fault then... ;-) The exact quote from Caldwell in Alexander was "It's your life or theirs." Grant, I think you put in the "[i]" because I'd used the quote as part of a sentence. Personnally I reckon it works better to use the original "It's..." and avoid any need to use sic as well... Cheers, Ian Rose 13:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, change effected. FWIW Bzuk 13:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC).

Ian, you are right on both counts. Thanks for pointing the reference thing out. I never have been able to get the hang of the "reflist" format. For the time being I have changed mine to ordinary old <ref>s Grant | Talk 15:41, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DFC and Bar

The citations published in the London Gazette make it clear that the DFC was for the encounter with 2 Me109s, whilst it was only the Bar which was for shooting down 5 Ju87s, I've re-worded accordingly, I did leave the original cites in because I wasn't absoutley sure what they were supposed to be backing up. I also chagned the style used for quotations to meet WP:QUOTE. David Underdown (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Highest scoring P40 pilot

This claim is footnoted, but no sources for the scores are given, ideally their should be a source which definitively lists Caldwell as such, or we're verging on Original research. David Underdown (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)