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[edit] Results for all deletion attempts

Votes
Choice 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th
Keep 20 12 21 11 23 18 9 10
Delete 3 10 13 7 13 4 9 7
Merge 0 1 2 0 3 0 1 1
Transwiki 0 0 0 0 1 8 0 0
Total 23 23 36 18 39 30 19 18
Percentages
Choice 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th
Keep 87% 52% 58% 61% 59% 60% 47% 56%
Delete 13% 43% 36% 39% 31% 13% 47% 38%
Merge 0% 4% 6% 0% 8% 0% 5% 6%
Transwiki 0% 0% 0% 0% 2% 27% 0% 0%


Seeing as we have had lots of afd's on this, I thought that it would be interesting to see how opinions have changed over the different deletion attempts. When I was counting these I counted everything that was a clear vote, using the first vote for people who voted for multiple things. I have counted every vote, i.e. I haven't removed votes from new/unregistered users. I also counted merges and redirects as the same thing. --Apyule 11:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

  • If anyone spots any mistakes please fix them. Same goes for anyone who wants to improve the table layout or update it after any future afd's. --Apyule 11:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Delete User:badlydrawnjeff's responses as statistical anomalies, because he only considered the merits once. Mr Spunky Toffee 20:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The merits haven't changed. The article has never stopped belonging here. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] If there was only one count that included everything..

Votes
Choice Totals Percentages
Keep 124 60%
Delete 66 32%
Merge 8 4%
Transwiki 9 4%
Total 206 100%

As we get even more AfD's, I thought it would be interesting to see what the results wold be if results from previous discussions were included. It's interesting how clear the keep consensus appears over a large sample like this. One big thing that this doesn't take into account is people who have voted in multiple polls. It would be interesting to see what effect this has on the results, but I can't think of a way of doing it that wouldn't take ages. Any ideas out there? --Apyule 13:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deleted

hey im going to delete the whole john cena bit

if you look at the video you'll see that he was joking

Agreed. Deleting it now. -Elmer Clark 23:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I will remove irrelevant trivia now.

There's a lot of stuff that doesn't apply directly to the steamer, so it needs removed badly. I will do so. I will leave things that say "cleveland steamer" and refer to shitting on someone's torso. Mr Spunky Toffee 20:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I totally disagree with the edits by Mr Spunky Toffee and I'd like to see everything he deleted restored. --Emurray 22:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please don't remove tags!

Please, Jeff, don't remove the tags until the concerns are addressed properly. I didn't tag this article lightly or just for fun. Mr Spunky Toffee 11:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I fixed the external link issue, so that tag was no longer necessary. In fact, the two that go to the Amazon reader actually go to the parts of the book in the sample Amazon provides as a service to readers. As the "external links" are actually "references" to the article, the tag is inappropriate anyway. Your "too much trivia" tag is also no longer an issue, that section has been trimmed. --badlydrawnjeff talk 12:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I will be removing any tags that have not been discussed and asserted for relevance at this talk page in 24 hours. At least three of the tags on the page at the moment are blatantly false, but I'll assume good faith for the moment. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I removed a couple tags that were obviously excessive. It doesn't have to be tagged five times to show that there is a dispute. --JJay 18:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WTF

This article needs to be restored immediately. --JJay 22:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. They had 3 votes to remove it and all three failed. Leave it be already. --Anonymous Wikipedia contributor

It was 6 actually. Thankfully it back now. The admin in this case was clearly crossing the line. --64.229.73.225 22:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The article is a better article with the context subsection

The below subsection was deleted and restored. WAS 4.250 01:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Context

Coprophilia is the attraction to the smell, taste, texture or sight of the act of defecation as a primary means of sexual arousal and gratification. Erotic fulfilment with excrement may be practiced alone or with a sexual partner. A common slang term for this is scat sex. Except in the case of consuming feces, generally scat play is safe when played alone and safe with a partner if one uses protection so as not to come in direct contact with a partner's feces.

Feces is waste product from an animal's digestive system tract expelled through the anus (or cloaca) during defecation. In humans, defecation may occur (depending on the individual and the circumstances) from once every two or three days to several times a day. The distinctive odor of feces is due to bacterial action. Bacteria produce compounds such as indole, skatole, and thiols (sulfur containing compounds), as well as the inorganic gas hydrogen sulfide. These are the same compounds that are responsible for the odor of flatulence. Consumption of foods with spices may result in the spices being undigested and adding to the odor of feces. Feces is used as fertilizer (see manure), used in scientific study (scatology is the study of feces and a coprolite is fossilized feces), used as food by many animals, used as a property marker by many animals (like urine), and used to humiliate or sexually arouse.

Sexual arousal is the process and state of an animal being ready for sexual activity. Things that precipitate human sexual arousal are colloquially known as turn-ons. Turn-ons may be physical or mental in nature. Given the right stimulation, sexual arousal in humans will typically end in an orgasm, but may be pursued for its own sake, even in the absence of an orgasm. The causes of human sexual arousal are sundry and, by nature, subjective, always arising from natural urges but otherwise spanning the scope of human or cultural desires from love to humiliation.

Humiliation is literally the act of being made humble, or reduced in standing or prestige. However, the term has much in common with the emotion of shame. Humiliation is not in general a pleasant experience, as it reduces the ego. Humiliation of one person by another is often used as a way of asserting power over others, and is a common form of oppression or abuse. However, it can also be consensual, as part of an agreement with someone who likes erotic humiliation.

Erotic humiliation is the consensual use of psychological humiliation in a sexual context, whereby one person gains arousal or erotic excitement from the mixed and powerful emotions of being humiliated and demeaned. The humiliation need not be sexual in itself, as with many other sexual activities it is the feelings derived from it which are sought, regardless of the nature of the actual activity. It can be verbal or physical, and can be relatively private or public. Often it can become ritualized.

[edit] Comments

The article is a better article with the context subsection. WAS 4.250 01:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't we shrink it down so it isn't just a large mismash of other articles? --badlydrawnjeff talk 01:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
That doesn't make it better, it makes it a nonsensical mess. As I said in my edit summary when I removed that the last time, you've simply copied and pasted sections from other articles into this one. It doesn't attempt to relate these things to the subject at all, and most of the selections are completely superfluous. WarpstarRider 01:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Safe Again

I see this article has survived yet another round of contentious debate. However, I wonder if this is simply describing an application of coprophilia, and should just be merged into that. Is it truly that distinctive it needs its own article? In addition, to those individuals who really campaigned hard to sink this article, you may consider petitioning for a new rule, which an article must be able to explain the meaning in each of the article's words. I don't think anyone can adequately explain where the "Cleveland" comes from, thus, making it a suspect article. (I do believe however, it is a spurious description of the socio-economic condition of Cleveland Ohio.)
DigitalPimpette 01:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is, and a merge didn't gain consensus the last two times it was tried. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biggie Smalls Record

Biggie Smalls definitely recalls a groupie requesting this in a mock(?) telephone interview. 70.5.85.110 02:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

Why are they called Cleveland steamers and not, for example, Boston steamers or Seattle steamers? Scott Gall 06:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Because the "cleveland steamer" is an early model of automobile. Bookishreader45 05:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

How sure are you about that? Cleveland is the name of a company that makes equipment for foodservice. They are well known for their steam tables. Such a unit is called a Cleveland steamer. 204.69.40.13 15:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, what a great name for that company. "Hey, Bill...bring out that Cleveland Steamer full of corn for that Chinese tourist group!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdylan (talk • contribs) 22:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

The etymology of the term - and its history, beyond the kind of etymology given by dictionaries - would be a very good example of the kind of thing that could make this article an encyclopedia article as opposed to a dictionary definition. That's actually what I was looking for when I came to the article. I already knew what one was, and no, I don't particularly want to see a picture, but the whys and whens behind it would be nice to have. I'm pretty sure "Cleveland Steamer" was never a model of automobile; Bookishreader45 is probably thinking of the Stanley Steamer; but supposing it was, how did the name of a specific model of car become associated with this sex act? 216.59.230.119 (talk) 02:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images?

Surely one of you sexual-slang deviant-thought-police types who keep this article alive despite protestations by many other people can find an image to make this article just so much better. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 20:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

  • The poop isn't the problem as much as the chest to deposit it on. I'm kidding. --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
...don't think I'll volunteer. Jesus, I hope you're kidding. That would ruin my clothes.--ElaragirlTalk|Count 20:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Different meaning and possible disambig

Although I found no article yet written, there is another meaning for the term, and that is a line of kitchen steamers manufactured by Cleveland Range company. Their website is here: http://www.clevelandrange.com/?oc=cle - an example can be seen here: http://www.clevelandrange.com/nafemproducts.asp?poc=cle&category=0178&article=Convotherm_OGB_6_20 . At the very least this should be mentioned in the article. Robotman1974 20:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I removed the DAB notice. This other meaning is not notable, so there isn't and won't be an article about it, so a DAB notice is not needed. They aren't supposed to list every possible meaning; their purpose is to direct readers to other articles they may be trying to get to. When there's no article, there needn't be a DAB link. -Elmer Clark 23:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My take on things (not that anyone asked)

I've added this and every other "low importance" sexuality article to my watchlist. This goes beyond "Wikipedia is not censored for children". Children, by the way, are not idiots. They find what they want to when they want to. I'd prefer they found the information they're looking for here than there.

If I know what a Cleveland steamer is, believe me - it's notable. If anything, it's many references in American pop culture make it so. On a side note, there is (or at least there used to be) a big rumor that Adolf Hitler would give these to Eva Braun. If I can find any suitable reference to this, I'm putting it in. Nina Odell 14:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Dunno about Adolf and Eva, but the rumor I heard was about Adolf and one of his nieces. It was supposedly the reason she committed suicide...

I read somewhere that Salvator Dali used to be into Steamers, too.

[edit] Cookin Equipment

This may deserve mentioning in the article or it may just be humourus, but I managed a resteraunt for 2 years that had in it a Cleveland Mk IV Steamer, including an owners manual entitled "How to Operate a Cleveland Steamer". Might be put in there to illustrate non-sexual uses. -Mask 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That sounds pretty important, actually. It's another valid use of the phrase!Lotusduck 21:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


What do you want for an improvement. A Picture?

[edit] accuracy

I heard that a Cleveland Steamer does not include contact between the feces and the person receiving the act. It's my understanding that a Cleveland steamer involves a person getting atop a glass table and defecating, while the recipient lies underneath, looking up through the glass. According to my research, what is described in this article is actually a Boston or Pittsburgh Steamer. It behooves the wiki community to have vigorous discussion regarding this matter, lest the standards we all hold so dearly be breached by ignorance.

Sincerely, Rupert Murdock72.78.2.195 05:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plausible Etymology?

Wow, this is a controversial entry. I think I know where the phrase comes from, but I don't have a reliable source, and I can't imagine anyone does.

My own eymology is beautifully simple, which makes it more likely to be true. A "steamer" is a clam or mussel prepared for the table by steaming. Those of us of a certain age will remember that Lake Erie used to be so polluted it was almost a dead lake. It was almost a cesspool. Therefore, Lake Erie would have no clams, no mussels, but it would have turds in abundance. Hence, a "Cleveland steamer" would be a humorous term for a turd.

I shall now go back to lurking and reading. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Pedicabo (talk • contribs) 01:23, 5 June 2007

[edit] Research

If someone has time, there seems to be more information at Google news archive that could be added to the article. -- Jreferee (Talk) 23:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

None of those references seem to be talking about the sexual act that is the topic of this page --dinomite 14:29, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Attempt for Deletion

I think it's in the best interest of decency to delete this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.219.47 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 13 August 2007

Just letting you know that an attempt to delete the page for that reason would fail because Wikipedia is not censored. If you do want it deleted you are going to need a better reason. --67.71.76.240 03:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "other terms"

I removed the following:

Other terms include Hot Carl, Boston Crab, Georgia Mudslide, Alabama Slamma, Big Montana, Mississippi Softserve, Cincinnati Hot Plate, and Pittsburgh Dump Truck. The "Boston Crab" is done in reverse, where the arms or legs are pulled behind a person facing downward, either on their knees or laying down, then they are defecated upon by the person standing over top of them. This is named after the wrestling move which follows the same movements, but the term was first used by Lucky Pierre. "The Hot Carl" is the method of covering a man or womans mouth with cellophane and then defecating into the covered mouth.

None of these supposed terms are sourced. Without sources/evidence that they're notable, this is nothing more than an urban dictionary-style listing of funny slang terms. -Elmer Clark 07:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
These are too frickin' funny. I want to go to a hooker and ask for an "Alabama Slamma"!

[edit] Cuyahoga boats

Cleveland State University had a shell on the Cuyahoga River called the "Steamer", hence the full name "Cleveland Steamer". The Cuyahoga has also been a very well-trafficked river by commercial ships since the 19th century, making the idea of "steamers" in Cleveland a factual reality. Is any of this trivia worth incorporating (the former obviously isn't, but maybe the latter)? SamuelRiv (talk) 23:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] image request

Is the request for images a joke? If so, it's damn funny. Personally, I would be in favor of diagrams over photos, but that's just because I think they're infinitely funnier and patently less offensive. SamuelRiv (talk) 22:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] synonym?

I believe "Choo Choo Charlie" is a synonym for "Cleveland Steamer" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.22.73 (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Manhattan Transfer

A variation of the Cleveland Steamer, the Manhattan Transfer involves the deposit of fecal matter from a woman's anus to a cup or vessel, to be ingested by a man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 23skidoo68 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)