Talk:Clerkenwell crime syndicate

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[edit] Verification

The article is not titled the Adams Bros, which would be ok. By entitling the article as you have, without specific mention that it is supposed syndicate the article becomes non-veryfiable and, without modification, does not really belong on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability

Furthermore, whilst sources provided are basis for the existance of the Adams Brothers organization, they do not prove or suggest the existance of 'The Clerkenwell Crime Syndicate'. Those external references supporting the existance of a syndicate do not come from reliable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Selector99 (talk • contribs)

  • Selector,
While I would agree to the naming of the organization, I have provided both a credible book and webite, itself used in several similar organized crime related books, which refers to the organiztion specifically as the Clerkenwell crime syndicate. While I admittedly know less about Britain's criminal underworld, I have also provided a source at least proving the existance of one of the Adams which (although admittedly refered by the British press as the Adams gang) does prove the organizations existance.
However, I believe it is the article's proper name which is in question here not its existance (nevermind as to its verification or its notibility). I have reworded the statement if reference to its name, however the Adams Brothers organization appears to in fact exist. MadMax 06:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
In regards to the reliablility of the provided external link, the website is used as a reference in at least Carlo Devito's Encyclopedia of International Organized Crime among others (including several Wikipedia articles). MadMax 06:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sabini & the Messinas

In reference to the repeated removal of the text "(as would Sicilian mafiosi hired out by Charles Sabini and the Messina Brothers only decades before), I should point out that it is referenced by Carlo Devito's Encyclopedia of International Organized Crime. I do think it would be accurate to make the comparison that the Adams family used hired Afro-Carribeans as leverage to muscle out rivals as did Sabini and the Messina Brothers with their importing Sicilian mafiosi. MadMax 17:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Note your comments above and when you sent me a message. I would just have to agree with some earlier statements re the name of this entry. Although Devito might have decided to call them the syndicate it does not reflect the reality that they are known as the Adams family/ clan from North London/ Islington in the media. Also sometimes described as the ' A' team. Watch for the next time there is a huge robbery or gandland murder and there will be few if any references to the syndicate in the media. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.43.186 (talk • contribs)

My initial problem in creating the article was that my only resources, Devito's Encyclopedia of International Organized Crime as well as the website Organized crime in Great Britain - Clerkenwell Crime Syndicate, refered to the organization only as the Clerkenwell crime syndicate. Of course, I'd be the first to admit I'm hardly an expert on organized crime in Great Britain and I have little if any access to British news articles. I've run into similar problems in the Brindle family and the Arifs. MadMax 18:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] C18 passage

Not sure that the passage at the bottom of the article on a minor, and now dead, Adams family member stated connection to C18 which is as far as I know a soccer hooligan gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.141.83.228 (talk) 14:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sargent has convictions for drug dealing, which is related to this subject. C18 are a neo-Nazi political terrorist group. C18 were at least partly funded by these activities.The C18 faction now led by Steve Sargent (brother to "Charlie") is now called the "National Socialist Movement". Streona 09:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)