Talk:Clement Greenberg

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[edit] Greenberg and P11

Greenberg, of course, didn't visit Ronald in Toronto. Of the P11, Greenberg seems to have been most taken, initially, with Jock Macdonald. I don't think that it's quite correct to say that he was especially taken with Ronald. --Ggbroad 14:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

I hate to ask again, but is everything in this article original?Ggbroad 15:14, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Left leanings

Is it politically correct to mention, in the article, that Greenberg was an avowed Trotskyite Marxist who believed in the inevitable, historical, progressive development of art, similar to the Hegelian "forward march" of Communism?Lestrade 16:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)Lestrade

At one point, yes he was a Marxist (I'm not sure if he ever belonged to the Communist Party). He later changed his views, which is really where it gets controversial. It is felt by some critics of Greenberg that his move away from Marxism was not so much a true political shift but more opportunistic. With the Cold War, Greenberg positioned American abstract art as ideologically against Soviet art (i.e. Socialist Realism), and that abstraction equaled individualism (as opposed to Soviet-styled realism and collectivism). I'm not sure what this has to do with political correctness, but there is plenty written on Greenberg's politics, so it could make for an interesting (if well-sourced) section. Freshacconci 17:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Partisan Review crowd

It seems interesting that, speaking as a layman, Mr. Greenberg's critical ideas stem more from the "New Criticism" crowd, coming from the point of view of close reading, pureness of the object itself, irony, etc...as opposed to the Partisan Review/Alfred Kazin concept of including extra material such as biography, surrounding culture etc. Is there any material discussing this out there that could be included in article, or am I way off base? I mention this as Greenberg was a Partisan Review editor, and was wondering if there were any tensions between the two disciplines (novels/history and contemporary art) if my theory is valid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.117.181 (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)