Talk:Cleaver (geology)

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Merge with Arete. They are essentially the same thing, save for the fact that a cleaver may split one glacier into two and an arete may not. But we could deal with both concepts in one article, and clean it up somewhat at the same time.Rolinator 11:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

from VfD:

Dicdef, if ever there was one. -R. fiend 19:21, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• could be expanded, or if not, move to wiktionary (if it's not already in there)

Vote by User:Darksun I think.

• Delete: A cleaver is a thing that cleaves. There are few words less in need of definition, and dictdefs are deletes. Geogre 00:41, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Speed-delete. Gazpacho 04:00, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• Keep, for the sense, re glacier-bearing mountains in at least western N. Amer, of a rock formation flanked by two glaciers. (Even if the term is geographically restricted, it would be either a redir to the dominant term, or the target of the redirects from all the other regional terms.) These are important features in mountaineers' planning of ascent and traverse routes, and IMO an article could discuss what they have in common, probably different categories of them, and examples that affect notable routes. --Jerzy(t) 10:43, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
  • Perhaps you could write a stub on the page? Then it would be an obvious keep. Pcb21| Pete 11:54, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • As you suggest, it is now a much longer & more encyclopedic stub re glaciers (mentioning meat cleavers only as a passing analogy). Thanks for the needed pressure. --Jerzy(t) 18:25, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
• Keep given the recent expansion of the article. The Disappointment Cleaver route on Mt. Rainer is one of the most popular routes so a good description of Cleaver seems warranted. Whether Disappointment Cleaver itselfs warrants its own article might be debatable. RedWolf 03:29, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep (in some form). I always wondered where the term came from, and what it was that made them attractive for routes. (My one Rainier attempt was via Corridor on Emmons, so haven't experienced a cleaver personally.) This absolutely needs a photo too. Also, what do they call them in the Alps or Himalayas? Just "arete"? Stan 04:19, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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All cleavers are aretes, but not all aretes are cleavers. I've only seen cleavers between existing glaciers. If there is any merging to be done, cleaver should be merged into arete, which should be the target. hike395 05:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Your reasoning is logical, I think a merge would be a good idea. Radagast83 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)