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Good work

Hi Classicfilms! Good work on the Beowulf topic. I really appreciate to see someone pull the sleeves up and do some good work. By the way, I'd love to see the Grendel article worked out in the same way as Grendel's mother. Another thing I am curious about is the identity of Grendel. To a Scandinavian he is a troll, nothing more nothing less, but you removed it and I understand that you had a reason for it. I would love to see you present the scholarly point of view, as you have for Grendel's mother. Cheers,--Wiglaf 20:40, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi again. I see that you are doing the same good work with Grendel. There is only one problem with the argumentation as I see it. You wrote:
It also supports the ideas of noted Beowulf scholar F. Klaeber and others who have connected the image of Grendel with that of a troll. Nothing in the original language of the poem translates as troll, but the term was introduced because of certain folktales of the time which contained such an image. While Beowulf is believed to have circulated in the Oral tradition, it is unknown which tales (if any) influenced the poet.
The problem here is that the article claims that he is called ettin and ent, i.e. Jotun. This is actually a statement that he is a troll, since troll and ettin were the same concept in Norse mythology. Snorri Sturluson for instance uses the name troll women about female jotuns in the nafnaþulur.--Wiglaf 21:22, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi Wiglaf,

Thanks for your feedback. Perhaps the term has many meanings. In Klaeber (1950), "Eoten" (another version of "ettin") is translated as "giant", leaving the image ambiguous -- if you want to stick troll back in go ahead -- I just think the point should be made that we really don't know what Grendel was and that there is debate on the topic ClassicFilms.

I won't stick troll back into it, if there is any serious dispute in the matter. We all have our opinions, but Wikipedia is not the place to express them. It is where we in good faith add what we believe to be facts. However, I'd prefer the article not to be dismissive of the troll theory since it has good foundation :).--Wiglaf 21:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
PS. You can check out the troll article here on Wikipedia. It is quite good at the moment, and you can see how the meaning has varied during time and space.--Wiglaf 21:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi Wiglaf,

Fair enough as objectivity is always the goal-- I went back to the article and tweaked it a bit more trying to balance the arguments -- in a context that indicates that there are still a lot of unanswered ambiguities.

By the way, the Troll article is great!! Thanks again for the feedback, it was helpful -- ClassicFilms


æ

Hi Berig - thanks for making the important ae -> æ change to the Grendel's mother article. It is correct of course, I just wasn't certain how to do the formatting. -Classicfilms 18:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I am glad that you appreciate my small contribution. You have done great work on Grendel's mother!--Berig 19:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that's nice of you to say. And I hope you'll make more contributions to the Grendel's mother page. -Classicfilms 19:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
At the moment I am focusing on some pieces of rock that litter the landscape where I live, but thanks for inviting me. I may have a closer look later this week :).--Berig 19:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Beowulf

Oh shit, lol. I was typing up Variety and THR reviews. Damn you mate! Alientraveller 16:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I was joking around mate. Besides, be careful next time, you screwed up a lot of the proper text. Having slashes in headers is pretty poor too. Better luck next time. Alientraveller 16:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Alientraveller - Ok, now I do see that you were joking - in the future you might want to add something (such as an emoticon) to clarify that you are joking since tone is not always apparent. In creating the slashes, I was following this part of the Wikifilm project styleguide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/Style_guidelines#Background.2FProduction But I'll leave it as is. You are a good editor and I would like to work with you to improve the article. I'll continue commentary on the Beowulf (2007 film) article talk page. -Classicfilms 16:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Emoticons? Not here, but yeah, I could express myself better. Anyway, just remember, cites always need to be directly after punctuation, and generally production is a preferred term. "Development" tends to be used to discuss something like the ridiculousness it took Watchmen to reach the big screen. Alientraveller 16:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Beowulf cast

Wow. Bang up job you've done, it looks fantastic. Alientraveller 08:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. I thought that the bold added a nice touch as well. -Classicfilms 15:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the barnstar, Classicfilms! I very much appreciate it :).--Berig 19:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome - and deserving for your work on List of characters and objects in Beowulf! -Classicfilms 19:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
There'll be some more articles that relate to Beowulf :). I hope you'll like them as well.--Berig 20:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Looking forward to it! -Classicfilms 20:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Beowulf

I just wanted to commend you on the great work you've been doing with Beowulf. Keep it up! :) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:03, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Erik, I really appreciate the feedback. And I also appreciate your commentary and suggestions which I find very helpful in knowing how to best improve the article. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Award

Please accept the award I have added to your user page in recognition of your great work on Beowulf related articles.--Berig (talk) 20:38, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

What a surprise! Thank you so much Berig, I really appreciate the award. -Classicfilms (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I am glad you like it. You deserve an award.--Berig (talk) 21:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi Bloodofox - Thanks so much for the cleanup on the Grendel's mother page. Since your background in this aspect of the article is quite strong, I hope you'll give the article more tweaks and edits when you have a chance. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 08:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem! I am glad that to help on this very interesting subject. Keep up the good work! :) :bloodofox: (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Fabulous changes to the introduction (which I also tweaked a bit). That will help readers to distinguish between the original work and the multiple translations which currently exist - your edits are always so helpful, keep it up! Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 13:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections

The WikiProject Films coordinator selection process is starting. We are aiming to elect five coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by March 28! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 10:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Girolamo Savonarola -thanks for the offer. I think I am, at this point, going to pass since I need to cut back on the amount of time that I spend here, but I do appreciate the fact that you thought of me. Best regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 14:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

wikiproject coordinator

Hi Erik,

I see you are running for the Wikiproject coordinator position. You certainly have my vote as I was very impressed by your work on the Beowulf (2007 film) article - could you put a brief reminder on my talk page when voting begins? It may slip my mind otherwise. Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 07:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

I will try my best to let you know. :) I am busy in real life, so I won't be around Wikipedia too much. I appreciate your commentary about Beowulf, but I think editors like Alientraveller largely contributed to the article. I just helped out with a few links and a few words of advice on how to present the article. Otherwise, hope you've been well! —Erik (talk • contrib) - 12:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I very much understand the demands of RL :-) - I just want to make sure I don't forget to vote... You are a bit modest, Erik about your contributions to the Beowulf film article as you proved yourself to be a fair and neutral editor on a number of occassions. I've looked at some of your other contributions to film pages (clearly one of my favorite areas of the WP!) and was very impressed - so the vote is well deserved. All is well in general, thanks for asking. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 13:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


Re: 1984

Hi Erik,

I wonder if I could ask for your thoughts on this article, 1984 (television commercial). While technically a commercial, it is a work by Ridley Scott and the subject of study by scholars. I am thus treating it as a film article. Sources are needed and I am going to reformat it according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines at some point. However, I am wondering about one section called "dialogue" which offers the entire spoken text of the ad. This seems to me potentially a Wikipedia:Copyrights problem though I wanted to run this by you since you are more experienced with these issues. I am wondering if the entire section (particularly the second part which isn't sourced) should just be removed. When you have a chance, please take a look. Thanks and hope all is well, -Classicfilms (talk) 18:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello, I would definitely remove the dialog for now. I would suggest placing the diff on the talk page and explaining your removal. I would suggest only returning parts of the dialog that may have critical analysis. This would be OK under fair use. It's possible that you could include the whole dialog if there was analysis for all of it, though I'm not certain (since it takes up the whole commercial as you say). Hope this helps somewhat. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:11, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much Erik. This was very helpful. You can see how I approached this issue here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:1984_%28television_commercial%29
Let me know if you have any other suggestions for this article as well. Thanks again, ::-Classicfilms (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Proposed deletion of History of Macintosh

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I checked the history and there are minor changes that you made from the original text. Please consider merging them back in to the main article (bear in mind that the information may already be present; i.e. the 1984 ad is described under "advertising").--HereToHelp (talk to me) 13:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I made the same minor edits to the main article so there shouldn't be a problem. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)