User talk:Clarkk

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hi all. I will be on an indefinite, but temporary, wikibreak for work-related reasons.

please leave messages on my talk page. thanks. clarkk


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Hi Clark :) (Is the k for Kent? ;) I hope you like the place and choose to stay.

Some links that may be of use:

Keep contributing :) Dysprosia 11:12, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Clark, welcome to Wikipedia. You may want to consider adding yourself to Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Australia. -- Tim Starling 11:17, Jan 28, 2004 (UTC)

hi tim, thanks, i'll try and get around to doing that. Clarkk 11:26, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] history of Melbourne

Since you have taken it upon yourself to move Early history of Melbourne to History of Melbourne, I assume you are willing to write up the rest of the city's history? Adam 07:54, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have added material on later developments to that article (mainly taken from the existing Melbourne article). if it starts getting too long, then we could split off the "early history" section again into it's own article, but there should definitely be a single History of Melbourne entry point to both sections. Clarkk 09:22, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] touching the void

Hi Clark, thanks for sorting me out at Touching the Void. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 12:03, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

no problem, thanks for adding the plot summary. actually i realised that my edit summary was actually totally wrong, the west face of siula grande had been climbed before should have read the west face of siula grande had not been climbed before, but it is right in the article... Clarkk 12:06, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] table formats

I notice you're going around adding align="center" to various table tags. This attribute is deprecated, and doesn't work on all browsers; see [1]. Instead, I'd suggest using style="margin-left:auto; margin-right:auto;" to achieve the effect via CSS. Bryan 04:30, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

i've removed the align="center" from the tables, it appears that they aren't necessary for the tables to be centered (the style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em;" parameters seem sufficient for that task). clarkk 09:48, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] darling harbour

Nice rewrite of the Darling Harbour article. I meant to tidy it up myself, but somewhere along the line I forgot to do so. Arno 09:19, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] secfan

Hey, thanks for the advice for registering as a user here. My user name is: Secfan. Secfan 08:58, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] discussion with atomius

what sort of rubbish is that? i have a lot to say if only someone would blimey listen!oh yes- is there any articles youd want to be made? im trying to add as much info as i can to this site. you see, no offense, but i believe that knowledge is better than layout. that is why i did not include 'capital' letters in that layout page.user:atomius

please post comments to my user talk page. adding information and knowledge is good, and layout, grammar, spelling and formatting is also good, it's ideal if you can do both. if you don't have time to format, then that's ok, adding accurate information is great and certainly better than not contributing, but just leave a message on the relevant talk page asking for help, or mention that it needs a cleanup. that's all i'm suggesting. also, no need to be rude, it's best not to call something "rubbish", we try to be polite around here. clarkk 10:31, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

thats excactly what i was rying to do, rubbish is atleast better than some things you see. its polite compared to some things. anyway, i was just saying, you edited out master from list of enemies. he wasnt the master that stars usually, bt the master of the void space in the mind robber. he is a totaly different person, actually being a poet from england under influence from an evil computer, dont you know that?

i'm sorry, i thought that it was referring to the same master and i was simply removing a duplication from the page. feel free to add it back to the page, just add a note explaining that it is a different master to the "Master" normally associated with that name. i'm not a hard-core doctor who fan, just somebody who remembers it from tv growing up. clarkk 05:57, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

moved discussion on sydney naming conventions to talk:list of Sydney suburbs --clarkk 05:02, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] disambig pages

I just doing it according to the names of the articles next to it. If you like, I can do a mass s/// switch to ", New South Wales" later. Dysprosia 05:09, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
sounds great to me, do you have some kind of bot for that? i'll potter along doing a few i can move that don't already have redirects that need deleting (i.e. ones without requiring sysop access). clarkk 08:00, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] No patience with Categories

That is, I like them, but I'm not willing to read through thousands of list entries to find out which is the most specific category for articles I write. If it's clear, (or in some cases where I work on the topic so much I know what the categories are) I happily place entries where they belong.

When it comes to Australia, is it best for all concerned in the project if I put my entries into Category:Australia or just leave cat out altogether and trust that someone else will find it? It took me a very long time to decide where to put Harry Spira and Harry Cooper (veterinarian), and I don't even know if that's correct. Not willing to invest that much time again.

Quill 23:21, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

i understand. don't worry too much about it. if you can find a category that is reasonably close to what you expect, put it in that, and somebody is bound to come along and refile in a more specific category. if it takes much longer than about a minute or two, then you've probably looked too long. category:australia is usually too general (e.g. economy of Australia is appropriate, but vegemite probably shouldn't (since we already have category:australian cuisine), so at least try and find a subcategory of that e.g. category:australian culture would be a good choice for vegemite if category:australian culture didn't exist, or couldn't be located easily. --clarkk 15:33, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Okay, I'll give it my best shot! Thanks! Quill 22:48, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline of Australian history

I noticed you saw the article earlier, and made a couple changes. If there's anything more you could add/change, I'd appreciate it. I only started it a few days ago, but I'd like to get up to the American standard. :) Ambi 14:00, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Australian wikipedians' message board

I've created a page (with an idea blatantly plagiarised from our Irish counterparts) where any interested Australians can get together and coordinate efforts to fill some of the (rather large) holes in Australian content. If you're interested, it's at Wikipedia:Australian wikipedians' notice board. Any assistance you could give would be appreciated. Ambi 06:02, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Sydney

Want to join? I'm still formulating policy. Incidently, there is a message board Wikipedia:Australian wikipedians' notice board - Ta bu shi da yu 06:09, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Warrimoo is not a suburb of Ku-ring-gai

Warrimoo is in the blue mountains.

Warrimoo is not a suburb of Ku-ring-gai.

Syd1435 07:16, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)

there are two warrimoo's with different postcodes according to the dept. of local government. please look at my response on talk:ku-ring-gai Shire clarkk 07:39, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Reason for Warrimoo error
Warrawee postcode 2074
Warrimoo postcode 2774
Names and postcodes very similar - easy to confuse!

Syd1435 04:57, 2004 Oct 25 (UTC)

ok, so it looks like the department of local government (dlg) made a mistake on their website (where i got the information from), somebody should tell them! ;-) clarkk 09:51, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ku-ring-gai Municipality

A) Warrimoo/Warrawee confusions seems to be on the way to being fixed. Thanks.

no problem. clarkk 14:13, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

B) Ku-ring-gai is not a shire. It is a municipality. It labels it self KMC = Ku-ring-gai Municipal Council.

i agree. that's what i was saying on the talk page, and it's why i moved the page from ku-ring-gai shire -> Ku-ring-gai Council. actually, i think it would be best to leave it at Ku-ring-gai (to facilitate easy linking) and simply bold Ku-ring-gai Municipality in the lead part of the text. i'm not fond of creating pages like Municipality of Kogarah because it clashes with the using naming conventions which suggest putting the article at the most commonly used name, and adding redirects to other less-well-used names. see my talk on local government areas vs suburbs. clarkk

C) In the Ku-ring-gai article, the map obscures the Box with the list of suburbs within Ku-ring-gai, and also the box with the list of councils(shires/municipalities) in Sydney. Those blank lines were an attempt to un-obscure things. Have you a better way?

Syd1435 03:20, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

hmm, looks fine in my browser, I'll use the <br> trick. clarkk 14:13, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

D) Have sent email to DLG re Warrimoo error. (dlg@dlg.nsw.gov.au)

Syd1435 03:44, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

[edit] SA

You're quick off the mark, I'd just realised the South Australia category shouldn't have all those national parks in it and I already had some assistance :) - Diceman 15:43, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

i had edited one of the national park's articles very recently (it was categorised in category:australia!), so it was on my watchlist... clarkk 15:44, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Aboriginal art

You voted for Australian Aboriginal art, this week's Australian Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Thanks.

[edit] Murray River

You voted for Murray River, this week's Australian Collaboration of the week. Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. Thanks.

[edit] State templates

The templates look good - but you made a typo in "administrative". I would fix it but I didn't want to go changing while you were in the middle of updating all the pages to use it! -- Chuq 07:02, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

should be fixed now. i was trying to do a pass through to have two "driver" templates which called a single main template to tweak the format slightly for state vs. territory but i botched it on the first go. for the moment i've just copied them, but i'll come back later and fix it up. clarkk 07:27, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Did you know has been updated
and a fact from the article Geography of Tasmania, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

- [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 11:10, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Heya

Just wanted to let you know I've seen the great work you've been doing on Sydney suburbs, and to let you know that you're very much appreciated around here :-) Have a great day, and keep up the great work! - Ta bu shi da yu 15:00, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation resolution - viva la resistance

I've left a note on Ambi's Talk page. Because it was "his" policy which won, and I didn't word it right (apparently) when we set up the vote. Maybe you could add to my note to egg him on a bit.--ZayZayEM 13:01, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

actually, it's "her" policy i think. according to her user page, her name is rebecca. but i'll try and getting around to doing that. you never know with anonymous username/handles. for the record, i'm a he. ;-) clarkk 12:10, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] George St

I like the photo of George St, but where in "lower" George St would a ship's masts be visible? - Toad.

i was just copying the caption that was added to the image description page when it was uploaded: image:Lower George Street Sydney 1828.jpg. i'm guessing it's the portion of george st. that's adjacent to what is now known as Circular Quay. clarkk 22:49, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] country infoboxes

Hi, there's a new Solution E that's been proposed for the country infoboxes; I've changed my vote from the Solution D that I proposed, earlier. The new option, proposed by User:Zocky, transcludes a subpage instead of using the template mechanism for this.

See: Nepal's infobox is implemented at Nepal/infobox using Template:Infobox_Country; Tuvalu's is implemented at Tuvalu/infobox as a wiki table.

Discussion is at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries

voting: Wikipedia:Country_infobox_vote

Thanks. — Davenbelle 02:49, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

thanks, but i'm sticking with D) C). i think all pages should use the template:Infobox Country and we can tweak the template accordingly to fit (almost) all countries, i think. if an exception need to be made, it can be implemented directly on the page, rather than hiding the markup away in a subpage. clarkk 05:11, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I assume you mean C)... you voted that way. -- I do agree that the template should be used for most country pages, but I would also like to see all but one line off-loaded to a subpage. I see the infoboxes as accessories to the article, not really a part of it -- a right-margin with related info. Thanks for your time. Davenbelle 05:58, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)
sorry, yes, i meant C). i'm sympathetic to the goal of reducing clutter in the article, but putting stuff in a template means that it's one more thing to add to your watch list, and the template is only included on one page. however if the vote went towards including it in a subpage template, i wouldn't object so long as there was a guideline to use template:Infobox Country wherever possible. clarkk 10:34, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I understand your concern about watching more pages; moving the infobox off the article page to either a template or a subpage involves that. It's just not a concern of mine. Changing the inline implementation of the infoboxes doesn't reduce the front-of-article clutter much, I just changes it to different form of clutter. I write C++ code, so I'm not put off by it, but it's annoying to work around and must be off-putting to people here primarily to write Brilliant prose. I'm pretty new around here. I think that people's minds are already made up about these issues as they focus on the endgame of a brutal edit war, so any new ideas are being shunned. Few are willing to talk so thanks, again, for your time. — Davenbelle 11:25, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC) P.S. There are about 200 countries, but one can work at many levels... I just tweaked Gagauzia.

[edit] Cinema of Australia

Hi - I still think we should put this article in Category:Cinema of Australia and Category:Cinema by country, following the other national cinemas. The Microsoft example doesn't apply: Microsoft Office doesn't define Microsoft software, as there are other Microsoft products. Its more like the Ohio article, which defines Category:Ohio and so goes both there and in the grandparent category Category:U.S. states. Agreed? Jihg 09:04, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

no, because if you already have the subcategory category:Cinema of Australia visible in category:Cinema by country, it doesn't seem to be necessary to include the overview article in the list immediately below, in the same way that Music of Australia appears in the category:Australian music category, but not in category:Australian culture because the subcategory takes the place of the article. hence it is easy to tell that an area is treated in greater depth if there is an existing subcategory, but if there was no subcategory, then, yes it would need to be included, but once a subcategory is included, it's redundant to include it in both. my point is that, ideally, category:Cinema by country would have no articles, and only include subcategories, unless there was a more general article about cinemas in different countries. clarkk 01:15, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that is the general principle. But we should follow the exception to the principle: "Note: An exception would be an article that defines a category, and so is itself a parent article of subtopics as well as one in a series of like topics." This is exactly like the Ohio and New York City examples that follow. Its pretty clear cut case that the article should go in both categories. Also, from the reader's perspective, it allows them to immediately choose between an article or a category about the cinema of Australia. Jihg 01:42, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)
yes, i can see an argument both ways, although, i would prefer to do without adding it to the category, i don't really strongly object to doing the way you describe. clarkk 13:31, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Review request

Hi :) If you have a few minutes it be great if you could have a look at West Papua and the re-name proposal at the bottom of its discussion page. Any input, edits, or opinions be great. I've always tried to ensure there was an abundance of supporting evidence before adding content, and avoid emotive wording; I welcome different opinions, just wish they would explain what it is they disagree with. All Best :)Daeron 17:07, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Header levels

Hi Clarkk. You left an edit comment on Barbecue saying that 'sections *always* start at =='. I hate to sound noobish, but could you point me to a policy page or something on this? I've observed that it's normal, but in this case, starting with = headers on that particular page meant that the region headers got underlined (==), while individual US states didn't (===), which helped set them apart. Thanks! -- Perey 19:47, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

wikipedia:manual of style (headings)#Nesting
Nest headings correctly, for the same reasons as above. The top-level heading of any page is a H1 which gives the article title. The headings within the article must therefore be H2, ie "==".
also section clearly indicate that sections should start at (==). it really looks strange when you have (=) h1 headings on a page. clarkk 13:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] boxcar (band)

Sorry about that. When I went to check the history, the link pointed to the wrong article and somehow I didn't notice it. I'll use the item in the next update after all. Thanks for not exploding at my stupidity. :-) Mgm|(talk) 09:33, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know has been updated
and a fact from the article Boxcar (band), which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

[edit] Australian stub

I like the idea of seeing Howard's face on every page ;) .... but I agree, it is unnecessary on that template. Xtra 12:54, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Greg Egan's story key

Thanks for the edit. I've got grand plans to do a lot of work on that entry. One thing I think may be worth considering is dropping the bibliography altogether, as it's available on his own site anyway and takes up a lot of space. More popular authors such as Isaac Asimov seem to use a seperate page for the complete biblio; also I think some pages use/abuse categories for this. Jon Dowland

[edit] Sydney suburbs update

Hi Clarkk -- gee, you're fast! For example, I found the problem with the Willoughby LGA info, figured out the right reference, go to fix it and -- you've already done it! I presume you spend you're whole day on Wikipedia?? As you've noticed, I'm new around here but trying to provide some content to get the feel for WP. Feel free to email/talk me to if you want to provide some advice/direction for the updates I've been doing. John Rotenstein 05:31, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Response to Australia/template discussion

Thanks for the clarification Clarkk. Though I'm still clueless as to why Astrotrain directed his/her response to your suggestion towards me. Perhaps s/he was as confused as I.

Though I am not particularly fussed, I am one of those you mention who dislike the proliferation of country article templates. And I do very much like your, and others, compromise of channeling the templates to relevant articles (as was done with SOPAC).

However, I hesitate to suggest that Wikipedians should be obligated to place a template on the linking article simply because it exists. While templates are a valuable navigational tool, there exist many irrelevant and pointless ones.

With regards to the templates on the Australia article, I'm not all that concerned. The reason for my reversion of Astrotrain's edit, was because s/he had duplicated the article, puruposefully or not. But nonetheless, I don't think that the "Commonwealth Realms" template is appropriate for the Australia article, and the "Commonwealth of Nations" template should be preferred over it. Having both is overkill. Besides that, personally, I find the Commonwealth Realms article to be sub-standard and POV, and would seek to avoid linking to it in any case.

As for moving the templates to other articles, I agree with Astrotrain that the "Commonwealth Realms" template is not relevant to foreign relations. It would be more appropriately placed at Government of Australia or as others have suggested Queen of Australia. The "Commonwealth of Nations" template (which I'd like to see remain in the Austalia article), if moved, is placed correctly in foreign relations. But I think it has more of a bearing on Australia as a nation and historically. In any case, this is something that will have to be taken up on the template pages and/or at WikiProject countries.

Thanks again, --Cyberjunkie 06:24, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Crocodile Hunter

Re The Crocodile Hunter, I just couldn't leave that article like it was after I wrote a lead-in blurb in Did You Know for the main page. I noticed you are from Australia. Is the show offensive, stereotyping, etc. to folks down there? I couldn't find any source for such claims during websearches. Sorry for tripping over your efforts to modify it also. If you think more changes are appropriate, please proceed. Mark in Richmond Vaoverland 00:55, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

don't worry, you didn't trip over my attempts to modify it. speaking for myself it is somewhat annoying to many australians, but it isn't offensive in the sense of being morally outraged. most australians i know are mainly amazed at how popular it is america, because it does display a common stereotype and there's no doubt that irwin hams it up for his stateside audience, even though he is a genuinely enthusiastic person. i think the aspect that annoys people in australia, that he "overdoes" it for rating in the u.s. but that's just my personal opinion. for the article we should find citations/publications that reference those views. clarkk 00:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps failure of his shows to achieve acceptable ratings on free-to-air television in Australia is evidence of his un-popularity - any conclusions drawn from this fact would have to be noted as 'opinions'.--Cyberjunkie 03:01, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Airport Template

I've created a template under Template:Infobox Australian Airport. It being the first large template I've ever attempted, it needs a bit of a fix-up. Would you be able to check the syntax? I'm having a hard time with coordinates in particular. And I've just realised that not all airports have two runways - Sydney has three. Does this mean all templates must have space for three runways, even if they only have two?--Cyberjunkie 14:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

nice work. yep, there are unfortunately no such things as default parameters. you might want to have a "free field" for such special cases. try and cover all the common cases and then use the free field for the exceptions. also i would use underscores in the parameter names, i.e. airport_operator rather than "airport operator" so that it is clear what is the parameter name versus what is the parameter value. clarkk 00:16, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox airport and this edit

Hey

  • Please hold off on the infobox until it becomes a template.
cyberjunkie is making it a template: template:Infobox Australian Airport. clarkk 01:49, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Can you explain this edit? [2]?

Cheers. Burgundavia 01:47, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

articles should bold their title, see manual of style (WP:MoS). clarkk 01:49, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
and, yeah, i know it's not identical to the title, but it was the best i could do. clarkk 01:51, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Jones

Thanks for looking in on Alan Jones but I've had to fix the link for The King's School in Sydney: It does NOT have a page or any reference in Wikipedia and I'm not about to correct this deficit by thousands of Old Boys. Best wishes, Peter Ellis 07:13, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

i disambiguated the wikilink and moved the external link to the external link section as per usual wikipedia policy of grouping all external links at the end of the article, as opposed to having them inline. hope this is acceptable. cheers. clarkk 02:30, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket

Hi. You commented on the move of the cricket portal to cricket. Having moved the whole affair back, I have made my own proposal. Could you come and comment, so that we can get consensus for the best version. Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 19:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PMs template

I have rejigged the template so that each PM appears only once, and so that the order of the links is the same as that of the photos. I think it can now be installed as the new template. I'd do it myself if I knew how. Adam 07:36, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

thanks, just edit template talk:australiaPM and copy the wikitext for box from that talk page, then edit Template:Prime Ministers of Australia and replace the wikitext that's by pasting over the old wikitext. it's just regular editing, just cut and paste, nothing special. clarkk 09:36, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Governors

Hi Clarkk, Governors are not politicians, since

  • they are appointed, not elected;
  • they can't be voted out; and
  • they are required to be apolitical in their actions

I have taken Category:Governors of Western Australia out of Category:Australian politicians by scope. However I have not taken any action on Category:Governors-General of Australia and Category:Governors of New South Wales because I prefer not to interfere in matters outside "my patch" i.e. Western Australia. You might like to fix these changes yourself. Regards, Snottygobble 04:30, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

good point. i made a new category: category:Australian viceroys and made that a child of category:Viceroys and category:Australian people by occupation and category:Politics of Australia. that way they can be found through viceroys, people and politics. clarkk 07:24, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Excellent. Snottygobble 22:03, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Burpengary

Hey, nice to see someone else working on Brisbane's suburbs. But Burpengary isn't one. The category and list only feature suburbs that are actually in the Brisbane city area. I updated the page List of Brisbane suburbs so that it is complete. As I create suburb articles, I add them to the category. Please don't add suburbs that are not actually in Brisbane. I suppose there could one day be a category of "South East Queensland", which would include all the places that are not in Brissie but are in the metropolitan area (although Burpengary is far from metropolitan, being a small town well outside the sprawl, but until then, Burpengary is categoryless. I hope this is okay with you.Grace Note 13:06, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

point taken, but it should still go in the category:Towns in Queensland category in that case. clarkk 01:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes, for sure! I didn't know there was one. Thanks for fixing that up.Grace Note 01:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Hi Clarkk. I have nominated you to become an Administrator. Please follow this link to accept or decline the nomination. If you accept, please answer the candidate questions. Good luck - I think you're well deserving.--Cyberjunkie 13:56, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moving rivers

Nice teamwork with the simultaneous reorganisation of the Australian river categories. I knew you'd pitch in and help ;) Thanks - Longhair | Talk 12:15, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

no worries, strange that we both started almost simultaneously, i just happened to notice a river in a top-level victoria cat, then i went to the river of australia category, and though i'd create a rivers of nsw cat... clarkk 12:24, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Australian authors and Category:Australian writers

Hi Clarkk. You seem to be the Australian categories expert. We seem to have grown two categories that are competing for the same articles. Do you think "Authors" are a subset of "Writers" (and so should become a subcategory, but perhaps interposed above Australian novelists), or an alternative word for the same concept? If the latter, we need to consider what Australians use most commonly - I think it's Authors (for prose, anyway). --ScottDavis 05:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

the answer to this is simple, because it's already been decided at the wikipedia-level. category:writers and category:writers by nationality are populated, and category:authors is (or should be) empty, hence all child categories should use writers not authors. as for the term Australians use more often, i would say that it could go either way, i use both writers and authors in equal frequency. all else being equal, we should stick to the wikipedia-wide convention and there is a fairly compelling case for sticking to the site-wide convention in this case. we do have category:Australian novelists if we want to be more specific about novelists in particular. clarkk 08:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks - acting like an admin already :-) --ScottDavis 08:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Naming conventions

Hi Clarkk

If a multiple word title should not all be capitalized, then should a redirect from those names as well as a redirect from unique station names, such as Roma Street Station, be intorduced?

1) it's not necessary to create a redirect from the capitalised version unless there is a compelling reason to do so; 2) sometimes a name may appear to be unique, because we don't that out there there is another Roma Street Station in some obscure US city. it doesn't hurt to to have the redirect from the undisambiguated page, because it can later be replaced by a disambiguation page, but it's best not to go around creating them as a matter of course; 3) lastly, don't forget to sign your posts! (just use four tildes: ~~~~ it expands to your user name and datestamp) clarkk 08:32, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 18:18, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Congratulations!. A deserving promotion. -- Longhair | Talk 18:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Indeed, very well deserved and perhaps long overdue. Congratulations.--Cyberjunkie 04:42, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thanks all for your vote of confidence, i wasn't really seeking out adminship, i could probably get by without it, but being an admin i hope i can be more effective and useful to wikipedia. clarkk 08:48, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] discussion

You're a moron Clarkk

Power-mad control freak. 203.26.206.130 18:49, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

A moron, but a moron with a new ban button. Keep it close Clarkk ;) -- Longhair | Talk 18:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
actually, for the record i did not block this user, or revert this users page or users talk page. i have made some attempts to convince this user to get an account to prevent a case of mistaken identity and i have been helping to carefully supplement this user's valuable contributions and keep them inline with NPOV, but it's hard to take an IP address seriously. clarkk 01:56, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
also, user 203.26.206.130: please refrain from making personal attacks, it's wikipedia policy, and making them does nothing to help your case. we have been keeping it civil up until now, let's continue to keep it that way. clarkk 01:58, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
We had a round of dealing with him/them overnight Clarkk. I think we're wasting our breaths on students. I was hinting at your ability to now be able to do something about it. -- 05:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at User:Internodeuser if you haven't yet seen it. We get quite a write up. -- Longhair | Talk 04:20, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't mind either way. Delete, redirect .... either one is fine by me. It's a terrible excuse for an article. Tannin 08:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

please go ahead and add the {{vfd}} tag to the article if you wish then, but we need to follow due process. clarkk 08:54, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Not me. I don't know how to list things on VFD. The system is probably completely different from the one I learned when I started here. I'll just vote on it.

BTW, redirection after a merge of all useful content is due process, especially when it's not just one user redirecting (check the page history). But a formal delete would probably be better. Tannin 08:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

exactly. as for how to do it, just add the {{vfd}} tag, which generates a vfd discussion page. more instructions are at the usual place: Votes for deletion. clarkk 09:04, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Easy as that? Wow! I am impressed by the simplicity of the new system. Whoever thought it up deserves congratulatation. Back when I used to spend hours at a time combing through VFD tallying up delete and keep votes, and deleting/keeping articles, the listing proceedure was (a) much more complicated, and (b) under heavy review. I never dreamed that someone would come up with such a simple and elegant method. Tannin 21:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

FYI, a Request_for_arbitration has been opened on user Internodeuser -- Longhair | Talk 10:51, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Australian cusine

I heard you had an interest in Australian cusine, do you think you could put together one or two sentences on the subject for the culture section of Australia? Thanks in advance --nixie 07:37, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I've edited Cuisine of Australia a few times, that's it, and that's about the level of my expertise, I'm sure the lead or something could be culled from that article. clarkk
Oops. I'd be the person along the grapevine from whom nixie heard that. I just remembered seeing your name in the history of cusine articles, and mentioned you had been 'involved' with Cuisine of Australia in the blind hope you might be a gourmet extraordinaire ; )!--Cyberjunkie 08:15, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tasmanian categories

Thanks for the Category work and tidying up my messy trail! I'll read the Cat. Guidelines properly, as I was a bit hazy on them, and only really started adding them the other week. Thanks again. Jgritz 6 July 2005 10:26 (UTC)

Greetings oh cleaning up category person - you might want to follow my trail of guerilla tactic west coast entries as well - like our friend above, I have not adequately imbibed of some wiki items, and when constructing on the fly - do tend to leave unfinished things... :) I would be very interested if you could check out my west coast range entry and do your worst - or let me know if I can leave something like that as a work in progress!vcxlor

I have done a significant cleanup of some of those entries. don't forget to follow standard capitalisation of articles, e.g. use proper nouns: Tasmania not tasmania in article titles. a good place to start is to check out the wikipedia:Manual of Style thanks for letting me know. clarkk 6 July 2005 11:02 (UTC)
One thing that is puzzling me is what to do with the correct name of the Mount Lyell Mining and railway Company Limited - I do have an attempt at a disambiguation page for the term Mount Lyell - what would you do?
it would help if you could provide a link to the article in question: is it Mount Lyell?. also, don't forget to sign your posts. four tildes should do it: ~~~~. 6 July 2005 11:23 (UTC)
I created Mount Lyell (disambiguation) and placed the the link to the company there and copyedited the Mount Lyell, Tasmania article. clarkk 6 July 2005 11:24 (UTC)
Thanks for the cleanup! -- hike395 July 7, 2005 05:49 (UTC)

[edit] Category size guideline?

Hi Clarkk.

Is there a guideline on how many real or potential articles should be in a category? I've noticed you've created "Universities in <state>" articles with only a few potential articles each.

I created a new article Fua'amotu International Airport a few days ago, and someone immediately afterwards created both Category:Airports of Tonga and its parent Category:Transportation in Tonga and put the new article there. This seemed overkill to me.

Perhaps there's a tool I haven't found to review a category and all its child categories on a single web page? That would make smaller categories useful.

Thanks, --ScottDavis 6 July 2005 11:12 (UTC)

not really any guidelines, but i drew the line at about at least 2-3. that's why I didn't create category:Universities in the Northern Territory since only the CDU would qualify, but once most of the states have separate articles (certainly NSW, Vic. and Qld qualify) it seems sensible in this particular case to do most of the other ones for consistency. in the case you cite, I'd probably leave it in the Category:Transportation in Tonga if there's only one airport. clarkk 6 July 2005 11:17 (UTC)
Thanks. I wonder if it would be possible to add an aggregate category view that shows the selected category and a nested-list view of subcategories and their articles all on one stage (limited to some number of articles in each subcategory like about 20). --ScottDavis 6 July 2005 12:09 (UTC)
that's a MediaWiki feature request, search at mediazilla: to see if anybody else has requested it formally, or else lodge it yourself. i've certainly seen it discussed, but maybe not formally requested via mediazilla. anyway it would be a matter of rolling up your (or convincing a developer to roll up their) sleeves and coding it... ;-) clarkk 6 July 2005 12:16 (UTC)
Thanks - I've submitted an enhancement request. --ScottDavis 6 July 2005 15:03 (UTC)

[edit] Mountains of Tasmania

Greetings. There seems to be a lacking in the Geography of Tasmania entry any subcategory re Mountains of Tasmania. I have the start of something in the West Coast Range entry that I started, I know I should read the manual (!) how does one go about putting something like that into place?vcxlor 7 July 2005 12:39 (UTC)

until there are a number of articles on Tasmanian mountains (say 5-7 at the very least) don't start a new category:Mountains of Tasmania category, simply categorise the entries in category:Mountains of Australia and category:Geography of Tasmania. clarkk 7 July 2005 12:42 (UTC)
Then there's the problem of how to categorise the west coast range, and any other collective of mountains - the sticht range, the eldons, and so on.. sorry to be nuisancevcxlor 7 July 2005 12:48 (UTC)
put them in category:Geography of Tasmania for the moment. clarkk 7 July 2005 13:09 (UTC)

[edit] Categorisation of Watanobbi, New South Wales

Hi - I saw that you added the towns of NSW category to Watanobbi, New South Wales. When drafting the stub, I didn't think that category was appropriate as it is a suburb of Wyong not so much a town. I am not sure how to otherwise correctly categorise it. I wrote the stub because it was a redlink on the List of interesting or unusual place names. As a small personal project for Australian places on the list, I try not to be judgemental about how interesting or unusual the place name is but rather ensure the place exists and there is at least a stub article. I would be interested in your thoughts as to how best to categorise suburbs of miscellaneous towns where it is unlikely that a category of say suburbs of Wyong would be useful or sustainable. Regards--AYArktos 22:24, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RE:User_talk:211.28.51.58

It appears the statistical revisions by this user were incorrect. However, according to ABS statistics of on LGA's per state (vide NSW; VIC; QLD) the initial figures weren't completely accurate. I'll go through the associated articles and fix those. As for metropolitan populations, I'm having difficulty locating them in the ABS's re-designed website (when did that happen!?). But a jump of almost two hundred thousand (in Brisbane at least) seems unlikely. I posted the anon template to the user's talk page before ambi reverted them; had I known this, I might not have been so welcoming. In any case, the edits are relatively harmless. I think I'll revert the changes to the metropolitan populations as well.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 15:01, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I wasn't reverting them because I knew they were false. If an anon changes statistics that have been added by a reputable user, I tend to assume the initial statistics were correct, unless there is reason to believe otherwise. We get too many people changing things like that as a test to just assume that they're right. Ambi 06:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibreak

I hope your break will be pleasant and not too stressful. I look forward to your return (and hope you can manage to get back soon!). Cyberjunkie | Talk 09:01, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Australian composers

Hi Clarkk,

Thanks for your kind words on my contributions to the Anne Boyd and Peter Sculthorpe articles. My next target is going to be Ross Edwards, who in my opinion is a very underrated composer. (His lovely piano trio was performed last night in Sydney.)

Ckerr 01:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject AFL

G'day, just wondering if you'd like to join WikiProject AFL. There seems to be a lack of awareness that such a project exists due to the previous inactivity on this site. But it's here, and I hope you will join. Cheers, Rogerthat 03:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removing an account

Hi, I've had an email from Adrian Appleyard, administrator of BigFooty. He is telling me someone has created the account User:Adrian Appleyard pretending to be him. How would we get this user to change his username to something other than Adrian Appleyard, or perhaps giving the real Adrian a right to use his username? Rogerthat 05:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regions of Sydney

Hi,I was wondering how you picked the regions of sydney- and if you know of a map that shows the 11 listed regions?--nixie 02:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

hey peta, wow, haven't logged in for ages (and probably won't for a while again). I actually didn't pick the regions as such, there were several articles that were already existing and I tried to work them into some kind of shape. as for maps, don't know of any public domain/CC maps. clarkk 03:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

Good to see you return mate. -- Longhair 03:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks, but not for long, though. I duck in and out very occasionally, maybe will return more regularly later in the year. clarkk 08:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Headline text

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[edit] Howdy

Good to see you editing again :)--cj | talk 12:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sydney Localities

Can you help me out with adding Central and Wynyard to the Sydney Localities category? I can't seem to edit it myself. J Bar 00:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

done. clarkk 12:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Local Government Areas of Perth

Hi Clarkk,

Us Western Australians have established a consensus to upmerge Category:Local Government Areas of Perth, which you created, into Category:Local Government Areas of Western Australia. This was based on:

  1. The fact that there are only 144 LGAs in WA, so the supercategory will never grow so large as to need to be split;
  2. There are no LGAs of Perth; there are only LGAs of Western Australia that happen to be within the Perth metropolitan area.

It has now been emptied, and I have deleted it. If you're unhappy with this informal consensus/decision/action, let me know and I'll undelete and take it through the CFD process.

Hesperian 03:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)