Talk:Clay Buchholz

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Contents 1 Name 2 Birthdate 3 Section 4 Notable 5 Keep 6 Correction 7 Lack of References 8 No-Hitter 9 Relation? 10 Laptop Theft 11 2007 Section

[edit] Name

I believe this person's name is actually Clay Buchholz. I don't know how to fix the misspelled name of an article. I guess I'm too lazy to figure it out.--Xyzzyplugh 15:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birthdate

And the birthdate listed is wrong. See the following: http://www.soxprospects.com/players/buchholz-clay.htm --Xyzzyplugh 15:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section

As far as the criminal statement, you should know that Clay paid total restitution and is very remorseful. I would like everyone to know that Clay is a great young man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.227.149 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

After someone posted about it today on the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, I wondered about that, too. I moved the paragraph here because the link is broken, the search function on the host site had no results for the name, and I could find no legitimate verification of it elsewhere. 158.135.245.212 (talk · contribs), who named it "Trouble," added this section almost a year ago:

"On April 2, 2004, Buchholz was arrested for stealing 29 laptop computers from the Lumberton Independent School District's Intermediate School campus. Along with Dustin Dodge, a fellow schoolmate, had stolen the laptops from the campus and were selling them at McNeese State University where they had attended school together. Each laptop was worth an estimated 2500 dollars each after the inclusion of software programs, in all, 70,000 dollars worth of lap tops. The students were selling them for around 100-400 dollars on campus in Lousianna. Investigators say during the Christmas holidays Buchholz and Dodge climbed through a hatch on the school's roof. Officers say they went into an unlocked storage room where teachers kept the laptops and stole them. [1]"

It shouldn't be in the article, even with a {{fact}} tag, when so much time has passed since it was added without verification from a reliable source. If the facts themselves are verified, the section needs to be rewritten before being returned to the article. — Athænara ✉ 07:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notable

He doesn't seem notable enough for a WP article, although he might be in a while. Steve Dufour 16:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

He's plenty notable. He has regular media attention, an amazing college career, and will be a major leaguer soon. Similar to Mark Prior when he first was drafted. -- Ubergenius 17:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Keep

Bucholz has been the subject of published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. He also has demonstrable wide name recognition as the top pitching prospect in one of the most prominent baseball teams. He also has played in a fully professional league (I.E. minor league baseball as well as a spring training start with the big league club). See WP:BIO. He is clearly notable.--Thomas.macmillan 05:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Good deal, keep it //Tecmobowl 05:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, why did you nominate it to be deleted in the first place? As a member of Wikiproject baseball, I'd hope you'd think a top pitching prospect is notable.--Thomas.macmillan 05:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Tecmo Banned Indefinitely. FYI--Tecmo has been banned indefinitely for repeated violations of Wiki policy.--Epeefleche 01:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Correction

"He is listed as the best Red Sox prospect headed into the 2007 season by Baseball America."

Actually, he was listed 3rd behind DAISUKE MATSUZAKA (#1 overall) and JACOBY ELLSBURY (#33 overall). So I'm removing this line.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/263445.html

[edit] Lack of References

This article has lots of information but no references to back it up. I marked it as unreferenced to bring attention to this. --Tu13es 02:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I made sure to add reference to what I added. Cheers!RobHoitt- 02:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

Also, the tables with stats from College and Minor League were vandalized and I can't pinpoint the edit which this occurred in. If anyone can find this and revert them, or, even better, find references to the stats, it would be appreciated. --Tu13es 03:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I reverted them back to an earlier version. IrishGuy ^talk 04:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No-Hitter

FYI, There has been some confustion tonight about Buchholz's No Hitter. He is the 17th rookie pitcher in the MLB to achieve a no-hitter and the 16th Red Sox player to have a no-hitter. I added the reference from the Red Sox news page to state as much. RobHoitt- 02:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

it says he is the 17th red sox pitcher to throw a no hitter and no referrence to the # of rookie to do so in official redsox news, however it is possible for that information to be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.70.50 (talk) 02:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Ooops, my error, I misread the quote. He did indeed was the 17th, I made the appropriate correction. RobHoitt- 03:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

-During the telecast on NESN, the commentator stated that Buchholz was the first Red Sox rookie to throw a no-hitter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.67.134.60 (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relation?

Is he related to Colorado's Taylor Buchholz? --Smarterthanu91 • Talk 05:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Not according to baseball-reference which usually has that type of information right at the top of the players page Mr mark taylor 11:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laptop Theft

I removed the section relating to his laptop theft. The placement in the article was bad, and given that he is now a highly touted pitching prospect (with an already brilliant major league career) and has clearly put these things behind him, it seems somewhat vengeful to note what was likely teenager stupidity.

If someone wants to add it back in, noting that other teams had concerns about him relating to this incident (and this is the reason he fell in the draft), that seems reasonable. But to simply list someone's past transgressions - in a sentence about where they attended highschool, no less - doesn't really strike me as appropriate for a living person's Wiki entry.

Apologies if I have overstepped my bounds. Also apologies for only signing in after the removal. Ieshan 05:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll start by saying that I'm a huge Buchholz fan, and I think that it deserves mention. That incident was a factor to why he was not drafted higher, and the Red Sox had to think and talk with him to make sure that was in his past. Is it pretty? No. But has it affected him and is it relevant? Definitely. Tithonfury (talk) 05:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but the way it is now seems rather awkward. Is there any better place for it in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.99.130.36 (talk) 03:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Put it around where it is mentioned that Buchholz was drafted by the Red Sox. Then after that sentence, give an explanation to why he wasn't drafted higher, using the laptop theft story. --Street20 (talk) 04:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2007 Section

When editing Wikipedia, users should be aware of the view of their edits in the context of the future. The brief section following his no-hitter subsection is wholly unnecessary given this view. Clay's 3 innings of relief work against the Orioles, in the scheme of an encyclopedic entry, is absurd. Links to baseball-reference.com are already provided at the bottom of this page, and game logs are accessible to view such information. Of course events such as his no-hitter are worthy of a mention and a subsection. As Buchholz's career proceeds, it is completely impossible to continue to provide the type of game-by-game analysis that this precedent would set. This article should be a broad view of his career and, where applicable, his personal life. The information contained in this section is unnecessary when viewed outside of the scope of 'recentism'.President David Palmer (talk) 11:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)