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Contents 1 Who was David Smith? 2 Claudius son of David of Brookhaven 3 This article is badly written 4 Tangential material

[edit] Who was David Smith?

Was he in fact Clodius Smith, the escaped servant of Abraham Porter of Portersfield, Gloucester County, New Jersey and had changed his name to David?

How come there are no records of the births of any of his children, or even their marriages?

[edit] Claudius son of David of Brookhaven

What indicates that David of Brookhaven ever lived in Hempsted. As the article's own references show there was a tailor David Smith in Hempstead in 1728. Is there any evidence David of Brookhaven or David of Orange County was a tailor or a judge?

There are land documents (both in Sussex and Orange County) and town meeting notes of Brookhaven that suggest David was there until about 1847. After that time he sold his Brookhaven property and bought land in Smiths Clove (Monroe) in Orange County where he was active in town events. His son Samuel lived in Monroe his entire adult life. The Hempsted Samuel is not Samuel Son of the Brookhaven and Smith's Clove David.

As for the David Smith-Meriam (Williams) Carle marriage, there were a lot of Smith's, including some other Davids, in Hempstead.

According to "A Carl Family History: The Story of an Old Long Island Family" by Skip Carl (1974)

John Carle, the son of Jacob Carle and Miriam (Williams) Carle, did not leave Long Island until 1773. He was born c. 1725-1731, and one would have expected him to have accompanied his mother and stepfather to Orange Co. c. 1747 if they really were the David Smith & wife who settled there.

It is unlikely that this David of Hempstead is the same as the David of Brookhaven and Orange County who is the father of Claudius Smith.

1847?

The David of Hempstead never lived there; the 1728 document is a quitclaim of property he inherited from his father, Samuel.

Also, Hempstead and Brookhaven all used to be one parcel of land.

Who are you; a descendant like me?

Claudius is well documented as having had always dressed in the finest of clothes.

That is unsual for a cowboy who always had to get very dirty from the work that he did.

The only logical explanation for this, is that there had to have been a tailor somewhere in the family.

Claudius' French & Indian War muster roll record indicates that he was born in 1736; David Smith and Meriam [Williams] Carle were married in 1735. One plus one is two.

Jacob Carle died in 1733; stepsons go where they will.

Your citation does not give an exact birthdate for Jacob Jr. Why?

It is unlikely you understand or appreciate the decades of research that has been done here, by elimination Claudius could not have been the son of any other couple given: that he was born in New York as absolutely nobody desputes.

Also, as a descendant I'm telling you: the hierachy or "pecking order", if you will, in these families is this: 1) tailor, 2) teamster or cowhand, 3) miller, 4) judge or constable, etc.

David Smith didn't actually live in the Clove at first, either. He simply owned and operated a Grist Mill for the probable manufacture of alcohol, which was a thriving business in New York.

Also, people didn't stay pinned down, as you must imagine them to have, in those days. Everyone was more mobile and free, and everyone owned their own boat, going from one side of the Sound to the other. There wasn't the "wall of people" or "New York minute" that you have today.

As far as the other Davids that you are talking about: they have ALL already been checked; just this one remains, though like I said, I'm not exactly sure which Samuel Smith his father could be at this time.

WB2 05:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is badly written

It needs a great deal of work. It looks like it is copied from a history book and contains all sorts of irrelevant information.--Blue Tie 22:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tangential material

I've taken the liberty of removing several paragraphs of rather speculative material on Joshua Hett Smith, Gen. Arnold, and Maj. André. While some of this may be suitable for articles on those three individuals, its connection to Claudius Smith is slender to non-existent ("...it is entirely possible that...") and I feel that it distracts from the proper subject of this article. Choess 04:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)