Talk:Claude Henri de Rouvroy, comte de Saint-Simon

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[edit] Requested move

• I am suggesting moving this page (back) to Claude Henri de Rouvroy because Wikipedia:Naming conventions instructs that the simpler, moe common form of names is preferred unless disambiguation is required. Feel free to comment below. -- Dystopos 21:23, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. Since he is usually referred to as "Saint-Simon", moving him to Claude Henri de Rouvroy would not be appropriate. Current title is fine. Check out all the titles of articles on British peers. Uppland 22:10, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
  • What is he usually referred to as, again? What about "Henri de Saint-Simon"? The guideline on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) instructs: "use the most common form of the name used in English..." - Sorry if I stirred up a subject that's been gone over before, but since there was no discussion here, I assumed the possibility that a shorter name would be better. --Dystopos 22:24, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, Henri de Saint-Simon is obviously a much better alternative, and I added it as an alternative name in the beginning of the article. But we still have to consider the fact that there are Wikipedia naming conventions for articles on people with noble titles. I am not familiar enough with these guidelines and their rationales to support any move at this point. As long as redirects exist, I don't see a big problem here. Let's wait for some more input. Uppland 09:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose According to the Wikipedia naming conventions nobility titles are used. Where is this proposal coming from all of a sudden? Gryffindor 10:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
  • From my ignorance. I knew that in general, the simplest, most common name was preferred for article titles. I didn't realize that with eminences like Henri, that there is no alternative to the full title. Sorry for the intrusion. Go back to your business. Dystopos 02:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

(proposal retracted, template removed, listing scuttled) --Dystopos 02:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vote: getting rid of the redirect for Saint Simonism

I think Saint Simonism clearly deserves its own article separate from this one; it was a movement much broader than Claude Henri de R. himself through much of the 19th century. Saint Simonism was very influential in the military academies for example. I'm willing to write the article myself (since I am doing a bit of research on the topic).jackbrown 22:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

>>Obviously, the article has a more than adequate (ie I think excellent) discussion of the ideas of Saint Simonism. I think what's missing is a survey of the movement's relevance among the French intelligensia in the 19th century, in institutions like the army and how it inflenced colonial policy for example. And that's obviously not something which belongs in the article on the Count...Thoughts?jackbrown 22:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)