Talk:Claridge Hi-Tec/Goncz Pistol
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[edit] Revert uncited material
On November 11, 2006 the inventor of the Goncz Hi-Tech Pistol posted the material cited below. It is neither scholarly nor objective, and, therefore, the page was reverted to the previous version. Please see Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View (NPOV) standards.
[edit] Comments on Reverted Material
Much of this material would be useful if presented in a non-biased format. Please consider removing the personal attacks, condensing the material to specific facts, and citing sources where applicable. This article primarily focuses on the design and operation of the gun, not the producers, politics, or legalities involved, which are obviously interesting in and of themselves. The only section that deals with these subjects is History, and it consists of 8 sentences. It may be appropriate to edit that section if there is an inaccuracy, or it is not complete. If you would like to add a section dealing with the controversy surrounding the weapon it may be useful to add a section called "Controversy" and putting the comments under that. Certainly a discussion of the controversy surrounding the weapon does not belong at the top of the page, subverting the rest of the content, and if there is to be mention of it at all the author should present arguments in a clear, logical, non-personal fashion.
There may be an argument for the separation of the Claridge entry from the entry on the Goncz. Certainly there are differences. However, this argument was not made, and it would be difficult to believe the two could not stay on the same page so long as the differences were clearly and accurately articulated.
Further violation of the NPOV standards would be considered vandalism, and would be reported as such. It would be much better to edit the article in a scholarly manner and present any additional technical details where they belong, separating physics and science from the politics and social aspects.
[edit] Material Posted in Violation of Wikipedia's NPOV Standard
CORRECTIONS / BIG TIME!!!!!! My name is Goncz and I am the inventor and the manufacturer of the Goncz Hi-Tech Weapons. I have do not know who did the previous posting? I must assume that he / she must be high on something or plain ignorant or stupid and believes that the posted missinformation will be not challenged, or just a hired PR for a pocket change. The posted material is full of lies and missinformation. I feel that I have the obligation to inform the public about the facts...
(I have an idea who did the posting and he is either drunk or high on cocain again... or is doing it for 'pocket change)
I designed the Goncz Weapons Systems. Initially was the intention to design and produce a compact reliable pistol, that is light and to fire a single, burst or full auto gun which would incorporate / replace side arms and sub-machine gun into a single entity.
To get the cash-flow going it was introduced as a semi-auto gun / That was the ATF classification for the gun./ After completion of the production toolings, there was limited production with alluminum frames, that was not strong enough, was switched over to 17-4 Stainless and mass production started and over 100's were produced completed and 1000's in the production.
The models were:
Goncz Hi-Tech, Short gun, GS-9 mm.
GS-.45 ACP., GS-.38 Super.
(Featured on front cover of Gun World) Goncz Hi-Tech, Long Pistol GA-9mm. GA-45 ACP.
GA-.38 Super.
(Featured in Shotgun News)
Goncz Hi-Tech, Carbines GC-9mm., GC-.45. (Featured on front cover of the "ASAULT WEAPON", The guns were full in production before Claridges / Gail Claridge interior decorator, Joe Claridge, retired motorcyle cup and their son Joe a construction worker came into picture as investores that purchased out the previous shareholders that represented about 30% interest in the Company. The Goncz Weapons prior 1990 were on the front cover of many magazines:
GUN WORLD, AMERICAN HANDGUNNER, AMERICAN SURVIVALIST, ASSAULT FIREARMS, HANDGUN ILLUSTRATED, Etc.
and write up more than 100 pages and in the films Total Recall, Assasins, Planet of the Apes, Soul 007, Action Jackson, Accapulco Heat and many more. In the GUNS & AMMO authored by Garry James, who in other magazine "GUNS & AMMO" later described the Goncz Hi-Tech GS-9 as a Claridge Hi-Tech with pictures and text and stated and claimed, that he never saw any gun like this and Gail Claridge , (inerior decorator and Joe Claridge, retired motorcycle cap) invented it. (Taht guy must have been high on something or has a verry short memmory...)
The facts are that the Claridges came in as investors and bought out 30 % interest in Goncz Arms, Inc. Claridge Hi-Tech, Inc. was never authorized to produce the Weapons or use of the intellectual property. They stole the Intellectual property and tried to produce them. Fortunately / Unfortunately they could not reproduce them and the product they produced is an "UNSAFE GUN" that can fire by loading it, unsafe to fire it as the inproper magazine that will load the carthridge sideways, hitting the primer and the carthridge explodes and you could vind up without some fingers, or without an eye or both. I am cautioning everybody, who have one of the Claridge gun to use it with "EXTREME CAUTION" and for your and others safety make it inoperatable or destroy it...
The Goncz Weapons are safe: You can fire any carthridge, hot load, super load, subsonic load, full Metal Jacket, Soft point, hollow points etc. and you will be safe. Make sure you have the original magazine.
The magazine originally my design and production is a 'double row / doulbe feed'. They could not produce the magazine, therefore bought cheap junk 'after-market' magazines that were produced in a garage by hobbyiest.
The receiver that I was producing was made out of solid chrome alloy 4130 and heat threated. The claridge is a tubing that has the plug in and than silver soldered, that with the time pops out.
Anybody wants further info, contact me: Sales@goncz.net and if you are looking for another hi - tech products at www.goncz.net Cordially, John Goncz PS.
What "a lie" The Claridges are trying again. The Claridge Hi-Tech, Inc. had never had the rights to produce the Goncz Hi-Tech firearms. Upon they started to produce them I initiated a Law suit in US Federal Disctrict Court in Los Angeles and I was represented by Dean Webb, Esq. from Oregoen (best Attorney I ever had.) and we sued them individually and collectively: Joe Claridge, Gail Claridge, their attorney Brown, Accountant and some Distributors under RICO, Lahnaman Act. and other claims in front of Federal Judge.
We won the rounds. Itis open anybody can see it. The reason they were forced to stop the production becouse we were wining the case. The facts are:
THE CLARIDGE GUNS ARE UNSAFE AND ANY BODY GOT INJURED BY USING THE, THEY SHOULD SUE THEM, AS THEY KNOW, THAT THE GUNS ARE AND WERE "UNSAFE" BUT THEY STILL SOLD THEM...
I highly recomend anybody has that "Claridge garbage" to discard, make it inoperable or destroy it for his / her and others safety... Because the magazine is an aftermarket double row, single feed that will 'stow-pipe' the carthridge and the edge of the bolt will crush the primer and the carthridge explodes outside of the chamber, thereby may tear your fingers off, takes one of your eye out, or two of your eye or all of the above. Also the "invention" by their machinist (six pack Joe K.) to hold the bolt back, that will release the bolt by inserting the magazine and as the bolt moves forward, thereby loads the carthridge and will fire it as the bolt will cary the firing pin with and 'as open bolt fixed firing pin bolt' with the bullet will fly in any direction... maybe a person dead... A a later date I may post some more...
(Beneeth is the previous posting by some uninformed, or bought PR or just a plain "scumbag")
[edit] Pop. uses
The Punisher used this in the first several issues of War Journal. He seemed to really like it and lamented when Daredevil returned it in 'less than mint condition'.
Dunno if that's worth noting or not. Also, not sure what model of the Goncz it would have been. This was back in 88 I believe.
TotalTommyTerror 20:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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