Talk:Clarence Williams

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus for the move at this time. JPG-GR (talk) 23:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Clarence Williams → Clarence Williams (disambiguation) — Based on the article traffic tool, this is the proper move along with a redirect to Clarence Williams III. —TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 13:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

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• Support as nominator based on article traffic tool.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 13:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. Moving a dab page from the primary name space needs a clear and convincing case that there is a primary topic. I'm not seeing that case here. The tool used is questioned as not producing results that can be used for decisions here in several other related nominations. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• What are you talking about Clarence_Williams_III is getting about 10 times as many views as all the others combined:

• Clarence_Williams_III has been viewed 11143 times in 200802
• Clarence_Williams_(musician) has been viewed 727 times in 200802
• Clarence_Williams_(1977-) has been viewed 145 times in 200802
• Clarence_S._Williams has been viewed 100 times in 200802
• Clarence_Williams_(1955-) has been viewed 79 times in 200802
• Clarence_Williams_(defensive_lineman) has been viewed 72 times in 200802--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. Mutliple important people we have articles on are named "Clarence Williams"; having it as a disambiguation is appropriate. -- Infrogmation (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose as per above. If anything, move to Clarence Williams (disambiguation) and redirect Clarence Williams to the disambiguation page--Nobunaga24 (talk) 04:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose using the stats tool as the sole basis for determining a primary topic is solipsistic. At the very least there needs to be a broader discussion of the appropriateness of using that tool. older ≠ wiser 18:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Weak support. I would rather have more evidence than just the tool, but Clarence Williams III does seem to be the primary topic in my opinion. Dan1980 (talk ♦ stalk) 18:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose, any discussion involving this many different things being disambiguated needs much stronger reasoning for primary disambiguation. The crude tool being used here is of no significance standing alone. Gene Nygaard (talk) 10:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
  • A couple of factors that enter into this are 1) having to follow one link to get to the article you want is routine; having to follow two or more to get there is an annoyance, and 2) having the ambiguous name as a disambiguation page makes maintenance of links much simpler (it's hard to distinguish the inappropriate ones when an article which should have its own links also includes some that should go somewhere else). Gene Nygaard (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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Any additional comments:--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 13:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, having the disambiguation page as it is makes maintenance of the links much simpler. But it still needs to be done, and this article has many incoming links in need of disambiguation. Maybe somebody should take the time to do it, and then report back to us exactly how many of them go to which article, and how many of them don't fit any of the existing articles and instead serve as an indication of possible future articles as yet unwritten. Gene Nygaard (talk) 10:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

From a quick look, the majority of the diambiguated links to Clarence Williams appear to be for Clarence Williams (musician). -- Infrogmation (talk) 16:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.