Talk:Clapham Wood Mystery

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[edit] Human Deaths clarification?

Is there any press clippings or info to expand the history behind the deaths/murders? Has anyone been charged with murder in connection with the Clapham wood murders?


[edit] Friends of Hecate - Military Psy-Op?

Considering that the police never found Rev Snellings body for years and that the murderers have never been caught can it be assumed that the FOH was a military operation? Why have the local police been so "slow" to pursue the murderers? There seems to be a lot of similarites between the missing dogs and the modern cattle mutilations phenomenon associated with UFO's.

Just a quick note to point out that Clapham Wood is in England, not the US. What you are suggesting generally doesn't happen in England, it's just not that kind of country. As for the dogs, I see no more than a passing resemblance, and a very very tenuous one at that. - perfectblue 20:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

What are we talking about here Perfectblue? If we are talking about the unexplained deaths then they did happen. And they havent found a culprit. Secondly in the late 60's and early 70's there was reports of bommerang type UFO's in the area of Clapham Wood. this happened at the same time has the dogs going missing. In the paranormal community there has even been talk that the Friends of Hecate in Clapham Wood was a military Psyop to hide the real reason behind the mystery of what really happened there..

1) Psyop on home soil are pretty much unknown in Britain. It's not how they do things there, especially not when it comes to covering up murders. If you want to cover up a murder in Britain you only have to blame a loan madman the British are well tuned to accepting that as an explanation (the Yorkshire ripper, the Wimbledon common killer, and so on) and at accepting it when the killer remains un found for some time. 2) Killer cults pretty much have never existed in Britain. Britain has a strong and Celtic and spiritualist traditions so most cults there tend to be either nature worshiping pagans or people trying to contact the dead in dark back rooms. Other than that they have hippies and that's it. Killer cults/the killer cult myth is mostly an American occurrance. - perfectblue 16:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry to tell you this perfectblue but the British military have had decades of expereience of Psy-ops, from Northern Ireland through to campaigns against peace protesters at air bases. So where you get this idea that "Psy-Ops are unknown in the UK" is bizarre.

No, the British military have decades of experience of mixing PR and propaganda, which is rather different from suggestions that they might have murdered people and blamed cults to propagate a UFO myth, or that they covered up cult murders to protect people. - perfectblue 07:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unbalanced

This article only presents the series of events happening, and though not grave, it becomes biased towards these things having a paranormal explanation. Surely, the area must have been investigated, and alternative explanations been set forth. The article, while not choosing sides, should reflect common viewpoints as per policy.Lilac Soul 07:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what exactly it is you were expecting. The Clapham Wood Mystery is about a location with a reputation for strange events rather than about a single continuous event.

Section 1: People said that they saw UFOs or other strange things, but there is no real critical scientific viewpoint on it and it's more or less been established by generic consensus that claiming to have seen lights in the sky isn't POV or redflag and doesn't really need a counterclaim to balance it unless the claim itself is particularly elaborate or notable. Section 2: Two dogs died and a couple acted strangely, but no cause is attributed on this page, natural or paranormal, this is about as even as you can get and I doubt that there exists any reliable veterinary sources with which to balance it. Section 3: No views of any sort were expressed about the here, it's just a statement about three deaths. 3 of which are not attributed to any cause and one of which was entirely human in nature (straight forward sex attack of a vulnerable woman ending in murder). Section 4: feel free to put in a criticism or debunking, but it should be from source that is at least as notable/reliable as the author in the section, nothing from message boards etc. Also, be aware of WP:OR - perfectblue 17:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, the only place that needs work is section 4, but I don't know enough about the subject matter, or I'd do it myself. Otherwise, any reader will associate section 4 with being the predominant (or even only) given explanation for events in section 1-3. At least, that is my opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilac Soul (talk • contribs) 08:22, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
Section 4 points towards murder, which is a conventional explanation. It's saying that it's not aliens, it's people. - perfectblue 11:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, you're absolutely right, of course. Now that I read everything again (even in the revision when I placed the NPOV tag), I can't really see why I thought it was unbalanced. I'll remove the tag. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 12:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sadly bollocks

Born and bred there and never saw or heard a thing, sadly. Or am I part of the conspiracy, and really an evil Yokel out to fool you all? Angmering (talk) 22:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)