Talk:Clan Mackenzie
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[edit] Battle information
A lot of the information on clan battles in the article is wildly inaccurate, or entirely speculative. Also, many of them seem to contain text lifted directly from the websites linked to as sources. Lianachan 00:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree. There is a great deal to do if we are to create an article of genuine historical reliability. I have made a start - but only a start - in relation to the clan's early history. 45ossington (talk) 13:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Clan MacKenzie to Clan Mackenzie
Any objections to moving the page so it is titled with a lower-case k?--Celtus (talk) 08:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree. 45ossington (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- OK, i put up a request for an admin to move it over (Wikipedia:Requested moves). I tried to do it myself but for some reason it wouldn't work.--Celtus (talk) 09:48, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The Modern Clan Mac(k/K)enzie
Ditto in this heading - unless you have decided to leave it unchanged until the heading of the whole article is changed. There is a slight breakdown of language where you refer to the Earl of Cromartie's present estates; but, in any event, I wonder if he really is still a substantial land-owner - is there any evidence that he retains more than a few acres? I haven't found any on the web. Oh, and thanks for taking this page on. 45ossington (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
- My mistake, no wonder i put a citation needed tag on that.--Celtus (talk) 06:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I object. Mac is a separate Gaidhlig word. MacKenzies would be under the C s in a Gaidhlig phonebook. The least we can do is keep the capital K. While I am at it. Coinneach MacCoinneach (Kenneth son of Kenneth), should be Coinneach mac Coinnich. In Gaidhlig it is required to get the Genitive case correct. :) Wrmckinney (talk) 02:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- I can't compete with your knowledge of Gaelic, but should the name's Gaelic origin be determinative in an English encyclopaedia article? My own guess is that more people called MACKENZIE (including my own Highland, if English-speaking, grandfather) would spell their name Mackenzie than MacKenzie - and they probably pronounce the 'z' as 'z' as well. One argument in favour of strict Gaelic usage might be that "CLAN MACKENZIE" has not existed as a real entity since the middle of the 18th century, or perhaps earlier. But, if one is to talk about the "modern Clan Mackenzie" at all, should one not have regard to how the majority of Mackenzies prefer these days to spell their own name? (And, if so, does anyone know how one could test the issue?) 45ossington (talk) 06:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, i think the article should be named the official name of the clan. The Clan Mackenzie Society of Scotland and the UK spells it with a lowercase k, same as the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs, also Burkes Peerage lists the chief as "Chief of Clan Mackenzie". About the Gaelic, obviously today Mackenzie is not a patronymic name which describes someone's father, it has turned into an Anglicised surname. I don't see how Gaelic spelling should effect how an English wikipedia article is titled though. I can see why someone would object to a lowercase letter if most people actually spell the name with an uppercase, but still the clan article should be titled after the official name. Thats what i think, anyways.--Celtus (talk) 08:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
