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This page should be moved to Clan Campbell -- Derek Ross | Talk 00:07, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
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[edit] honor -> hospitality
Honour/honor isn't a particularly encyclopedic word: "I've stained my pants" might be fact, but "I've stained my honour" a matter of opinion. ;) I think "hospitality" sits better as it marks the beginning of the end for the tradition of highland hospitality. Anilocra 09:31, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Whoever put that so called "commentary" in the article in November is an ass.
Certain branches of the Tenhet family are directly related to the Campbells of Argyle, so I put it on there
[edit] Arms
The arms are those of the Chief of the Clan, not of the clan itself. Only the chief may use them - I put in a title bar over them to correct this.--Breadandcheese 04:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lord of the Isles
No Campbell chief was ever appointed Lord of the Isles. The last Macdonald Lord of the Isles was deposed in 1493 by James IV. The following century James V reserved the title to the crown, where it remains to the present day. Rcpaterson 22:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Montrose
Montrose was executed in 1650 for preceived treasons, not for any attempt he made on Castle Campbell. Although he was hanged he was not drawn and quartered, a form of punishment for treason unique to England. Rcpaterson 23:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wars of Scottish Independence
How could the Campbells have possibly fought alongside Robert the Bruce in 1333 when he had died four years previously? Also, if they (the Campbells) were awarded any land it wouldn't have been by the defeated Scots! Someone needs to either remove this reference (again!) or correct it - the battle was most likely Bannockburn in 1314!
The "Victorious" Campbells, as the writer quoted, seems could do no wrong according to this article. The Campbell clan betrayed Scotland and were perfectly content to receive land, titles, and funds from the imposter, Hanoverian queens and kings while any hope of freeing Scotland from the oppression of English rule was squashed. The ancient language Gaelic was lost, as well as an entire way of life that valued culture, family, music, religion, and other traditions that have gone to hell in this present age, and that we may never know again.
K. McLaren
-Some- of the Branches of the Campbell clan betrayed Scotland, not the entire -Clan-.
LTenhet
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[edit] Celtic and Norman origins
Hi. Should this important text be included in the Clan Campbell lineage?
The Campbell’s have both Celtic and Norman origins. Anciently named; O’Duibhne or MacDiarmid. [NB: dia = god; armaid = of arms] Accounts state that a Malcolm of the clan went as a widower to Norman France where he married an heiress of the Beauchamp family and adopted that name. A son Archibald accompanied the Conqueror in 1066 and became founder to several English lines. (Campbell. p55: Collins Guide: Scots Kith and King: A Guide to the Clans and Surnames of Scotland. ISBN: 0004356659)Stephen2nd (talk) 15:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that the Campbells are considered to be originally O’Duibhnes. I think the speculation is the were originally of Strathclyde British descent. "Tradition holds that the first of the Campbell ancestors (still not yet called Campbell) who came into Argyll married Eva, daughter of Paul an Sporran and the heiress of the O'Duibne tribe on northwestern Lochawe". However, the Campbells first appear in the 13th century, "The first of the name Cambel (the original spelling) who can be found in the surviving records was one who owned lands near Stirling in 1263. The earliest written date for a Cambel in Argyll is that for Duncan Dubh, landowner in Kintyre in 1293," [1]. --Celtus (talk) 07:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi Celtus, thanks for the Scottish O’Duibne marriage references. When cataloging Clans, family tribes &/or other group collectives, in genealogical, time line and armorial terms. My database record is quoted surviving records; sourced, researched and verified as fact. Article Clan Campbell stated the O.Duibne origin. As corroborated by my Collins Guide corroborating the genealogical records of O’Duibne &/or Ui Duibne were Mac Diarmaid: Rockingham: Patent 12 James I.; illuminated patent by indented Deed Dated 1640, family patrimony of Mac Dermot lineage, including 389 quarters, extending over eight centuries. [NB: Within and without parameters of: “Arms of the Realm and Ancient Local Princip-alities of Scotland, Kingdom of Scots: Angus; Atholl; Buchan; Caithness; Carrick; Fife; Galloway; The Lennox; Mar; March; Menteith; Province of Moray; Ross and Strathern.“] Last record: per se as “Driven from his ancient patrimony during the Cromwellian Wars.” NB: McDermott – Beauchamp: Or, three Cross-Crosslets: Arms of William Walpole PM.
PS. If anyone has any Dermot; Donald; Moubray; genealogy; heraldic; patent; references, I have a few Campbell and other clan files, including speculative and tradition categories. In the lists things you must do before you die, mine own, is to see this illuminated patent. Regards.Stephen2nd (talk) 19:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
