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[edit] Links

I changed the links for community council UK back to community council - there's no need to disambiguate the links if only UK pages currently link to the page. Also, it's not necessary to link a page every time it appears - once or twice an article will do. Thanks. sjorford 13:50, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Scotland

I am thinking there is a sense in which the civil parish exists or has existed in Scotland, that traditional counties were sub-divided into parishes (but these lacked their own councils). I seem to remember boundaries appearing on inch-to-the-mile OS maps. A quote from The Standing Stones of Caithness: "Myatt groups sites also with respect to the traditional parishes of Caithness, following perhaps the practice of the Royal Commission in 1911." Laurel Bush 12:18, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC).

Sorry, but this looks pretty nonsensical: In Scotland, parishes - formerly akin to those of England - have lost the majority of their status, although are still in existence. As in Wales, a new system of communities has arisen which have come to take on some of the roles of parishes. However, unlike in England and Wales, the Scottish community council has no statutory powers, although in some cases local councils have a legal obligation to include them in consultation exercises.
Parish councils were abolished by the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1929 and, as areas defined by statute, parishes themselves seem to have been abolished by the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973, under which communtity council schemes were created by local authorities. (Community councils have not simply "arisen", either in Scotland or Wales. In Wales I believe a community council is essentially a restyled parish council, with status and powers very similar to an English parish council.) Parish areas may still be used for some statistical purposes, but they seeem to have no statutory status. Also, there is, so far as I know, no statutory obligation for the inclusion of community councils in local authority consultations, except along with the general public as regards proposals to change a scheme by which community councils themselves are established. If there are legal obligations, then these must be as a result of contracts between specific commuunity councils and specific local authorities.
Laurel Bush (talk) 16:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

On matters of the duty to consult Community Councils, the Scottish Executive 'discussion paper' Can We Do to Help Community Councils Fulfil their Role? addresses the issue:
"There are various statutory powers which specify that community councils must be consulted e.g. local authorities have a statutory duty under the Town & Country Planning (General Development Procedure) (Scotland) Amendment Order 1996 to consult community councils on planning applications affecting their area; Section 15(1) of the Local Government in Scotland Act 2003 requires local authorities to consult and co-operate with community bodies as appropriate in the Community Planning process; and under the terms of the Licensing (Scotland) Bill, which was introduced in Parliament earlier this year, it is proposed that local authorities will be obliged to notify the local community council of all liquor licence applications made within their area."
I think it'd be rather a waste of time to determine exactly how statute refers to Scottish civil parishes at this point: the fact that they are used officially (as you say, for statistical purposes) is quite enough to demonstrate their existence. Their former political significance also gives them a level of cultural recognition which I it seems evidently survives to this day.

[edit] Delete

Apologies but I have inadvertently deleted this page and copied Civil parish over the top. I will rectify asap but Wiki is slow this afternoon and I am having trouble getting into undelete. Cutler July 9, 2005 14:53 (UTC)

What exactly was the point in moving this when at least 95% of the links to "civil parish" refer to those in England? [1] somebody went and redirected civil parish to a useless disambig page without fixing the links (something which gets me extremely annoyed) :( G-Man 21:35, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
Pardon me, but the article Parish/Geographical Subdivision, about civil parishes in general which was split off from Parish, is not a useless disambig page. Man vyi 08:35, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
And now it's been moved to Parish (subnational entity). Talk about a moving target... Bring back the old days when everything just pointed to Parish and we only had one article to worry about! Man vyi 19:15, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
slash disambig is not used on en-WP. Other subnational entities also have the name "X (subnational entity)". But where are they called "Civil parish"? Only in England? Or would this term apply to the non-England as well? -- Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

Why does Civil parish redirect to "Civil parish (England)"? Either it exists only in England, than the article should go to "Civil parish", or it does not, than an article at "Civil parish" should be created to explain where it is used. I will turn "Civil parish" in a dab page otherwise. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:24, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Good point I've moved it back to civil parish, seem as all the links come from places in England. G-Man 21:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Town parish?

What about town parishes? Some towns have town parish councils.

A settlement whose parish council calls itself a town council is a town. The area this council covers is still a civil parish. If you re-read the article carefully, you will see that this is all covered, with varying degrees of explicitness.  DDStretch  (talk) 23:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The styles, Community Council, Village Council and Neighbourhoold Council are also now possible. Peterkingiron 17:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Act 2007

Has received Royal Assent and therefore civil parishes may be established in London Boroughs also. Now the only parts of England which a civil parish may not be established are the Isles of Scilly and the City of London. The article therefore needs updating. David 02:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Amendment made: I have not mentioned the exceptions. Furthermore the reference is NOT to the Act itself, which is not yet on legislation websites. This will need amendment when it is. Peterkingiron 17:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
It is not Greater London which the Act extends parish creating powers to, but London boroughs. This needs to be clear. David 17:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The article still has some inconsistencies in what it says about London. I'd sort it out, but I don't know anything about the subject unfortunately. Northernhenge (talk) 10:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

No, as far as I can tell the article is accurate with respect to the situation in London. From 1965 to 2007 it was not possible for a civil parish to exist in London. From the passing of the 2007 Act civil parishes can now be established in London boroughs. Therefore only the City of London is now excluded (for obvious reasons). David (talk) 11:58, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1974

I am greatly surprised to learn that all parish councils were abolished in 1974 and immediately re-created. My impression was that most parish councills had operated continuously without a break since the 1890s. Many district councils were of course amalgamated in the 1974 reorganisation, but I do not think there was much change to parishes, at least not in England. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)