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Labels are case sensitive

These don't work (or at least the first one), because the keywords need to be in caps,

  not 'author='    but 'Author='
  not 'title='     but 'Title='

and so on. I discovered this when I messed up the 'Sauces' page.  :-(

Different "Book reference" templates

I haven't corrected the templates here just yet (yes, I'm not being bold) because I don't quite understand the difference between 'Book reference', 'Book reference 2', and 'Book reference 3'.

  • Are these just different formats, all acceptable?
  • What is a 'State', in the second and third entries?
  • Why do the second and third entries say 'ISBN=' instead of 'ID='?

DanielVonEhren 01:13, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Re 1) Probably all acceptable, we are talking about this sort thing at Wikipedia_talk:Cite sources.
Re 2) It is a US State - not sure if we need these but I kept whilst I find out.
Re 3) The first one was introduced at a different time (earlier) than the others, and independently. At that time, template parameters did not mix well with the ISBN magic word stuff - the ID was a work around.
Pcb21| Pete 02:08, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I fixed the "Book reference" line, since I had the same problem as DanielVonEhren. Couldn't be bothered to fix the "web reference" one, since I haven't used it. dbenbenn | talk 21:01, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Journal reference request

Who wants to make a Template:Journal reference? dbenbenn | talk 14:25, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I do, apparently. dbenbenn | talk 20:11, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

More secondary sources added

I just edited this template to make examples for citenewsauthor, citenews & citeencyclopedia follow the pattern of "what you type" actually yielding "what it makes". However, now the columns are really asymetrical, which is ugly, which makes me sad. I think the problem is the length of the url's, but I haven't the vaguest idea how to fix it. Please someone fix it (or revert?). Thanks Bubamara 11:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Missing URLs

Instead of inserting url=[none] for a missing URL, it is better to use url=http://, which produces a NULL link, and does not wreck the formatting. I have amended the instructions accordingly. HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 15:38, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

I've just tried this with the citenewsauthor template and it doesn't seem to work properly at all.--The Brain of Morbius 23:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Standardizing templates (and episode template needed)

I probably should have posted my book reference comment here. I don't have much experience with templates (I'm learning, though). Here are three points: (1) How can we standardize the citations even further so that all types have links to the year and consistent punctuation (like the parenthesis and periods in the beginning of most references)? (2) Also, a Google Print template would probably be a good addition. (3) In editing Kim Peek I found a need for a TV episode template. I used Citenews since it was the most applicable, but definitely not ideal. Can someone come up with a Cite episode template? --J. J. 18:21, 2005 August 26 (UTC)

Web reference consolidation

The new default parameter option allows missing parameters to be omitted. {{web_reference_full}} has less than 50 links to it, and I converted it so all parameters except URL, Title, Date, and Year are optional. This should be able to replace the other templates, and eventually be renamed {{web_reference}}. Anyone notice any problems? Below are tests. Only problem I'm aware of is a space before the period after Author when no PublishYear is provided; this is because I couldn't persuade template syntax to not swallow the space. (SEWilco 15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))

{{web reference}} has been modified to support optional parameters, so several related templates are now obsolete. (SEWilco 15:11, 11 November 2005 (UTC))

Parameter case standardization

Some templates are using capitalized parameters and some are using lowercase parameters. I suggest lowercase be the standard, following the conventions of using lowercase when it is not required. (SEWilco 15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))

This subject has been posted at Wikipedia:Village_pump (policy)#Template parameter case standardization. (SEWilco 15:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC))
No discussion in Village pump. Anyone here have a preference for lowercase? (SEWilco 19:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC))

Book_reference with optional param

Template:Book reference has been updated so most parameters are optional. Now only "Title" is mandatory. (SEWilco 04:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC))

I also updated Template:Journal reference similarly. COGDEN 00:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Press release reference

I've adapted the Template:Journal reference for press releases, following the style described in Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style#Company press releases, but maybe more fields should be added. Also, I don't know much about those esoteric 'if' templates, please can anybody review the wikicode? For example, I want to remove the parameters 'First' and 'Authorlink', but how? Thanks a lot --surueña 14:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

News reference

For the sake of consitency, I created a news reference templare: {{news reference}} --AzaToth talk 00:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Out of interest, how would one reference a news article that was published without a byline? Vashti 05:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Scratch that; I see the documentation. What a nice template. :) Vashti 05:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
How could I use this template to create a news citation with more than one author? Jtneill - Talk 12:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

no way to indicate DOI

Hi. The second entry type, journal article, doesn't seem to have any way to indicate the DOI. How to include the DOI in a journal reference? Robinh 09:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Use the parameter ID and {{doi}}:
{{Journal reference
 | Title = Some article or other
 | Journal = Some journal no-one ever reads
 | ID = {{doi|whatever}}
}}
  • This will give you:
    "Some article or other" . Some journal no-one ever reads. doi:whatever. 
    HTH HAND Phil | Talk 11:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Object Identifier (WOI) ?

Dear Referencing team,

I am still not satisfied with the actual referencing style in Wikipedia. I think it is too inhomogen and unstructured to create really knowledge, and here is a solution I would like to have:

  • References, like Books, Articles, Media content should have an unique Wikipedia Object Identifier (WOI), which can be used by all articles.
  • Ideally, this WOI should be extractable, so there must be a strict, but extendable template for such sites.
  • The WOI should have an easy access link, like

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOI:shortcut The shortcut might be something like

    • Letter
      • J for journal article
      • B for book
      • U for URL
      • W for Wikipedia
    • followed by typical informations, e.g.
      • for articles, JournalName Shortcut, e.g. JMC (Journal of Medicinal Chemistry) followed by Year-StartPage. This should be unique, if not we can deal with it, by adding: a,b,c...aa,ab,...,aaa,aab,..
      • for books, e.g. isbn
  • Already available identifiers, like DOI, PMD, CiteSeer can be cross-linked by creating

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOI:shortcut

  • The page at the WOI:shortcut should contain all relevant information, and also abstract, author informations, etc. ...

Joerg Kurt Wegner 14:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Book & journal template suggestions

Having fun getting my feet wet with these -- the templates work really well -- but I'm a Wikip newbie & so make the following suggestions in all innocence, as maybe you've discussed & rejected for good reasons before --

  • Book reference | First = | Last = | Authorlink = | Coauthors = | Year = | Month = | Title = | Chapter = | Editor = | Others = | Edition = | Pages = | Publisher = | Location = | ID = | URL =

I suggest adding two fields to the above:

  • Series= (many tech and academic and other publishers make it easier to find books via their "series" marketing than they do by title & author searches -- maybe on purpose, maybe not -- also, Wikip users often want to see "series" and "collections" to find same/similar titles)
  • Subject= (titles don't always tell the tale, & when they don't then subjects will, i.e. obtained from library opac entries -- also, a user can copy & paste these into an online library catalog or periodicals index for easy searching)

And I suggest three additional fields to the following,

  • Journal reference | Author= | Title= (required) | Journal= | Year= | Volume= | Issue= | Pages= – | URL=

-- the additions in this case,

  • ID= (i.e. ISSN, LC)
  • Publisher= (obscure journals can be found this way, i.e. Elzevier, Springer)
  • Location= (important for anything academic, and increasing journal globalization, clarifying Cambridge UK vs. Cambridge US, etc.)

-- none of these "(required)" but all to be just optional / if they can help...

--Kessler 21:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)